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<blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4851880" data-attributes="member: 48520"><p>While the class has some cool Ideas, and some cool powers, there are some issues.</p><p> </p><p>1. The penalties are too high for the abilities.</p><p> </p><p>Memorize spell is too expensive. It's a cool Idea, but it's too expensive. A better Idea, would be to allow the Hellmouth Sorceress/Sorcerer to swap them out, level for level. she is getting a more limited number of spells known and spells per day, so let her swap them from the spellbook any time she wants as a wizard selects spells.</p><p> </p><p>The main things I would watch out for here, are that you have to make sure it's nto better than the sorcerer or wizard. So if youre getting more versatility thanthe wizard via the ability to swap spells from a spellbook, but cast unprepared like a sorcerer, she should be getting less spells per day than the wizard, or and spells known than the sorcerer.</p><p> </p><p>You were vague on this, what tpes of scrolls can she learn from? Can she learn from divine scrolls? Does it consume the scroll like it would if a wizard copied it into his spellbook?</p><p> </p><p>Hellmouth Metamagic feats: Metamagic feats are horrible to begin with. You're wasting a valuable resource (feats) and then youre penalized for buying them by the higher spell levels, or crazy long casting times. </p><p>Making them take EVEN MORE feats makes the idea even less appealing. Its generally a better idea to take item creation feats and make wands and staves with spell charges, or take the time to make wondrous items that give you access to spell like abilities x/day. </p><p>If someone is going to take the metamagic feats they shouldnt be penalized for it. and if theyre going to pay CON to use it, then shey shouldnt have to buy the metamagic feat at all. They should get them all for free. Theyre taking a longer casting time, like a sorcerer, they're paying for it with their life energy, lowering their hit points, and making themselves more likely to die of CON drain, penalizing them further makes the idea appaling. They should have the option of buying the metamagic feats the usual way though. And you never specified, how much CON are they losing?</p><p>Plus, not only do they not get to have a familiar from this class, it actually takes away familiars/animal Companions from other classes. That's too big of a weakness for the class.</p><p> </p><p>To sum up:</p><p>Some Cool Ideas, but they're penalized to the point that people will be afraid of taking levels in this class.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sylrae, post: 4851880, member: 48520"] While the class has some cool Ideas, and some cool powers, there are some issues. 1. The penalties are too high for the abilities. Memorize spell is too expensive. It's a cool Idea, but it's too expensive. A better Idea, would be to allow the Hellmouth Sorceress/Sorcerer to swap them out, level for level. she is getting a more limited number of spells known and spells per day, so let her swap them from the spellbook any time she wants as a wizard selects spells. The main things I would watch out for here, are that you have to make sure it's nto better than the sorcerer or wizard. So if youre getting more versatility thanthe wizard via the ability to swap spells from a spellbook, but cast unprepared like a sorcerer, she should be getting less spells per day than the wizard, or and spells known than the sorcerer. You were vague on this, what tpes of scrolls can she learn from? Can she learn from divine scrolls? Does it consume the scroll like it would if a wizard copied it into his spellbook? Hellmouth Metamagic feats: Metamagic feats are horrible to begin with. You're wasting a valuable resource (feats) and then youre penalized for buying them by the higher spell levels, or crazy long casting times. Making them take EVEN MORE feats makes the idea even less appealing. Its generally a better idea to take item creation feats and make wands and staves with spell charges, or take the time to make wondrous items that give you access to spell like abilities x/day. If someone is going to take the metamagic feats they shouldnt be penalized for it. and if theyre going to pay CON to use it, then shey shouldnt have to buy the metamagic feat at all. They should get them all for free. Theyre taking a longer casting time, like a sorcerer, they're paying for it with their life energy, lowering their hit points, and making themselves more likely to die of CON drain, penalizing them further makes the idea appaling. They should have the option of buying the metamagic feats the usual way though. And you never specified, how much CON are they losing? Plus, not only do they not get to have a familiar from this class, it actually takes away familiars/animal Companions from other classes. That's too big of a weakness for the class. To sum up: Some Cool Ideas, but they're penalized to the point that people will be afraid of taking levels in this class. [/QUOTE]
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