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<blockquote data-quote="Khaalis" data-source="post: 6396257" data-attributes="member: 2167">IMHO, this is as it should be. To be honest a game in Middle Earth shouldn't allow Istari as PCs. You have a party with a bunch of lowly middling power mortals and then throw in what basically equates to a Demigod. Istari are ridiculously powerful.&nbsp; Istari only &quot;look&quot; human. They are in fact exraplanar in origin and have far superior strength and mental powers.&quot;Istari&quot; wizards ARE Maiar, spirits of the same order as the Valar but slightly lower &gt; Maiar and Valar are lesser Ainur &gt; Ainur are the immortal spirits existing before Creation - the first beings made of the thought of Eru Ilúvatar.Eru Ilúvatar is the All God, the Creator &gt; Ainur are the first creations, the highest choir of angels and often worshiped as Gods themselves &gt; Valar are a middle choir of Angels &gt; Maiar are the lower choir of angels that most often choose to interface with the mortal world. They're still demigods.The &quot;rules&quot; of the Valar should be set aside and cannot be used as a &quot;balancing factor&quot;, for this is exactly what happened with Sauron who is also Maiar Istari aka a Demigod of Ainur Morgoth (higher angel or intermediate deity).In D&amp;D terms that is like having 4 humans playing in the party with the demigod Thor as their fighter. Or in the FR a bunch of level 1 humans with Elminster, the Chosen Immortal of the goddess Mystra as their party wizard.JMHO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Khaalis, post: 6396257, member: 2167"] IMHO, this is as it should be. To be honest a game in Middle Earth shouldn't allow Istari as PCs. You have a party with a bunch of lowly middling power mortals and then throw in what basically equates to a Demigod. Istari are ridiculously powerful. Istari only "look" human. They are in fact exraplanar in origin and have far superior strength and mental powers. "Istari" wizards ARE Maiar, spirits of the same order as the Valar but slightly lower > Maiar and Valar are lesser Ainur > Ainur are the immortal spirits existing before Creation - the first beings made of the thought of Eru Ilúvatar. Eru Ilúvatar is the All God, the Creator > Ainur are the first creations, the highest choir of angels and often worshiped as Gods themselves > Valar are a middle choir of Angels > Maiar are the lower choir of angels that most often choose to interface with the mortal world. They're still demigods. The "rules" of the Valar should be set aside and cannot be used as a "balancing factor", for this is exactly what happened with Sauron who is also Maiar Istari aka a Demigod of Ainur Morgoth (higher angel or intermediate deity). In D&D terms that is like having 4 humans playing in the party with the demigod Thor as their fighter. Or in the FR a bunch of level 1 humans with Elminster, the Chosen Immortal of the goddess Mystra as their party wizard. JMHO. [/QUOTE]

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