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<blockquote data-quote="dmcallis" data-source="post: 4397192" data-attributes="member: 45440">I think a way to further differentiate Incantations from Rituals would be a further cost.&nbsp; It would also further limit wanton use of incantations to a reasonable level I think.The further cost would be a healing surge.&nbsp; Plus perhaps another lost surge on a botch, to compound the loss of the casting.&nbsp; (So if you botch, you'd lose the time, the components, and two surges.)&nbsp;If you do not have the surges, in either case, you lose HPs equal to your surge value.&nbsp;That should balance things nicely.&nbsp; You'd only use incantations when you REALLY need them.&nbsp;This would also let us use some existing rituals as incantations also.If you have the time, you use the ritual.&nbsp; If you really need it SOON, make the sacrifice and use the incantation.&nbsp;I'd also keep them separate as far as learning and recording in your books.&nbsp; There would be a separate Ritual of Knock and an Incantation of Knock available.&nbsp; Knowing one does not give you the other.&nbsp; You have to learn them separately.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dmcallis, post: 4397192, member: 45440"] I think a way to further differentiate Incantations from Rituals would be a further cost. It would also further limit wanton use of incantations to a reasonable level I think. The further cost would be a healing surge. Plus perhaps another lost surge on a botch, to compound the loss of the casting. (So if you botch, you'd lose the time, the components, and two surges.) If you do not have the surges, in either case, you lose HPs equal to your surge value. That should balance things nicely. You'd only use incantations when you REALLY need them. This would also let us use some existing rituals as incantations also. If you have the time, you use the ritual. If you really need it SOON, make the sacrifice and use the incantation. I'd also keep them separate as far as learning and recording in your books. There would be a separate Ritual of Knock and an Incantation of Knock available. Knowing one does not give you the other. You have to learn them separately. [/QUOTE]

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