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<blockquote data-quote="Undrave" data-source="post: 8095224" data-attributes="member: 7015698">Wizards player are just salty they're not as op as they used to be in older editions <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Whenever we're talking about new classes, everyone's always ragging on about 'the fiction'. 'Ooh the fiction needs to support it!' 'think of the fiction!' Well, Spell Versatility isn't part of the fiction, it's pure mechanic. Are you telling me the Wizard has no identity beyond 'has a spell book', which is basically just a random prop to justify the bizarre mechanics of Vancian casting? Sometimes you gotta remember that D&amp;D style spell casting is not universal in fiction...So I guess the Wizard just doesn't have weak fiction attached to it? If a fighter got a variation on Sneak Attack instead of Extra Attack? I wouldn't mind. They still have a solid kit (admittedly with weaknesses in Exploration and Social) and the Rogue even more so.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Undrave, post: 8095224, member: 7015698"] Wizards player are just salty they're not as op as they used to be in older editions :p Whenever we're talking about new classes, everyone's always ragging on about 'the fiction'. 'Ooh the fiction needs to support it!' 'think of the fiction!' Well, Spell Versatility isn't part of the fiction, it's pure mechanic. Are you telling me the Wizard has no identity beyond 'has a spell book', which is basically just a random prop to justify the bizarre mechanics of Vancian casting? Sometimes you gotta remember that D&D style spell casting is not universal in fiction... So I guess the Wizard just doesn't have weak fiction attached to it? If a fighter got a variation on Sneak Attack instead of Extra Attack? I wouldn't mind. They still have a solid kit (admittedly with weaknesses in Exploration and Social) and the Rogue even more so. [/QUOTE]

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