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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 8095956" data-attributes="member: 6920677">Which is the same I feel about going down to -3 HP in AD&amp;D...&quot;Big Whoop&quot;The Bard is the one with the Dispel Magic spell..(Sad Trombone)Terrain and Luck make all the difference...just like in AD&amp;D...just like in real life.Please don't try to prove that my group or players are idiots...it is rude.The Monk due to the cavern terrain, made a decision to stay put which forced another troll to have to move using a different passage which allowed said troll to be slain by a Firebolt cast by the AT.I treat you, and others, with respect and don't automatically assume others are idiots or &quot;playing wrong&quot;.&nbsp; I don't automatically try to invalidate other poster's points so as to ignore them...I try to listen.It would be nice to get the same courtesy.I'm not arguing against your feelings, there is no point...your feelings are yours.I'm merely saying dnd4vr, based off your posts that I have read over the years, I'm Old School like you, and my feelings about 5e are different.Improving the Sorcerer does not weaken the Wizard.&nbsp; Can anyone point to actual harm the Wizard is sustaining from this option?Hurt feelings does not constitute actual harm, in this situation.I have the theme song from the TV show the Jeffersons stuck in my head...so I will use this example.The Wizard suffers no real harm, if the Sorcerer &quot;moves on up&quot; to the penthouse level.The Wizard still does everything it did before, just as well as the class did before.The Wizard player, just feels less powerful, because they don't want to share the Penthouse level.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 8095956, member: 6920677"] Which is the same I feel about going down to -3 HP in AD&D..."Big Whoop" The Bard is the one with the Dispel Magic spell..(Sad Trombone) Terrain and Luck make all the difference...just like in AD&D...just like in real life. Please don't try to prove that my group or players are idiots...it is rude. The Monk due to the cavern terrain, made a decision to stay put which forced another troll to have to move using a different passage which allowed [I]said[/I] troll to be slain by a Firebolt cast by the AT. I treat you, and others, with respect and don't automatically assume others are idiots or "playing wrong". I don't automatically try to invalidate other poster's points so as to ignore them...I try to listen. It would be nice to get the same courtesy. I'm not arguing against your feelings, there is no point...your feelings are yours. I'm merely saying dnd4vr, based off your posts that I have read over the years, I'm Old School like you, and my feelings about 5e are different. Improving the Sorcerer does not weaken the Wizard. [I]Can anyone point to actual harm the Wizard is sustaining from this option?[/I] Hurt feelings does not constitute actual harm, in this situation. I have the theme song from the TV show the Jeffersons stuck in my head...so I will use this example. [I]The Wizard suffers no real harm, if the Sorcerer "moves on up" to the penthouse level. The Wizard still does everything it did before, just as well as the class did before. The Wizard player, just feels less powerful, because they don't want to share the Penthouse level.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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