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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8095972" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Just to build off of [USER=6855114]@Helldritch[/USER]'s post, here is an actual PC of mine who is a Wizard 12 (among other things <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) and her spell book:[SPOILER="Spellbook"] * FIRST LEVEL SPELLS *Alarm (R)Burning HandsCharm PersonColor SprayComprehend Languages (R)Detect Magic (R)False LifeFeather FallFind Familiar (R)Identify (R)Illusory Script (R)LongstriderMage ArmorMagic MissleShieldSleepTenser's Floating Disk (R)ThunderwaveUnseen Servant (R)* SECOND LEVEL SPELLS *Arcane LockDarkvisionDetect ThoughtsEnlarge/ReduceFlaming SphereGentle Repose (R)Hold PersonInvisibilityKnockLevitateLocate ObjectMagic Mouth (R)Magic WeaponNystal's Magic AuraSee InvisibilitySpider ClimbSuggestionWeb* THIRD LEVEL SPELLS *BlinkCatnapClairvoyanceCounterspellDispel MagicFeign Death (R)FireballFlyGaseous FormHasteLeomund's Tiny Hut (R)Life TransferenceLighting BoltMelf's Minute MeteorsPhantom Steed (R)Protection from EnergySendingSleet StormSlowStinking CloudWater Breathing (R)* FOURTH LEVEL SPELLS *Dimension DoorFire ShieldGreater InvisibilityHallucinatory TerranIce StormLeomund's Secret ChestMord's Faithful HoundMord's Private SanctumOtiluke's Resilient Sphere* FIFTH LEVEL SPELLS *Bigby's HandCone of ColdContact Other Plane (R)Far StepHold MonsterRary's Telepathic BondSeemingTelekinesisTeleportation CircleWall of ForceWall of LightWall of Stone* SIXTH LEVEL SPELLS *ContingencyDisintegrateDrawmij's Instant Summons (R)Globe of InvulnerabilityOtiluke's Freezing Sphere[/SPOILER]Now, for the comparison:[ATTACH=full]126681[/ATTACH]This shows the number of Wizard spells, Sorcerer spells, and my PC's spells in her spellbook of spell levels 1 -6.As you can see, the Sorcerer spell list has more spells than my PC at every level. If you review my spellbook, I don't think it is skimpy by any means.So, while Wizard spell lists are longer, Wizards don't have that many compared to the full list of Sorcerers IME.Granted, I can prepared 16 spells per day (INT 18), but a level 12 Sorcerer would have 12 known--only 4 less. But it would also have 3 metamagic options.Overall, a much greater spell selection for the Sorcerer and 3 metamagics vs. my smaller spell selection but 4 more I can choose from.Sorry, but give a Sorcerer Ritual Caster and they really are better casters overall that Wizards IMO. YMMV of course. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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