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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8096629" data-attributes="member: 6855114">I think that the main point of disagreement here comes from the type of campaign we have. They seem to be vastly different so the impact of the ryle is not exactly the same for everyone.If you don't play very high level and keep to low to mid levels the impact is a lot less impressive than when you get to 12+. The rule is also very dependent in the rest rule you are using. The closer you are to the &quot;standard&quot; rest rule,&nbsp; the more impactful this rule is. What we have here is a problem of perception. This rule is very impactful when standard rest and high level are combined. It gives a lot of versatility to any classes but the wizards that are left far behind in the dust making their own versatility useless. What is 44 spell known vs a full spell list? Nothing. If you take into account the fact that around level 12 you have a feat to burn, the sorcerer will take ritual caster wizard and now have access to all wizards rituals fully achieving complete appropriation of what was the strong points going for the wizards.When all that defines you is given to an other, how do you keep relevant? Simple, you don't. Now, not only can the sorcerer can do what the wizard do, but he does it better, albeit one rest at a time but in many campaigns it will not matter, it might in yours, but remember that you are not alone doing&nbsp; campaigns. In addition, the sorcerer keeps his metamagic to boot. If the rule had been all spells can be changed in down time, it would have been way better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8096629, member: 6855114"] I think that the main point of disagreement here comes from the type of campaign we have. They seem to be vastly different so the impact of the ryle is not exactly the same for everyone. If you don't play very high level and keep to low to mid levels the impact is a lot less impressive than when you get to 12+. The rule is also very dependent in the rest rule you are using. The closer you are to the "standard" rest rule, the more impactful this rule is. What we have here is a problem of perception. This rule is very impactful when standard rest and high level are combined. It gives a lot of versatility to any classes but the wizards that are left far behind in the dust making their own versatility useless. What is 44 spell known vs a full spell list? Nothing. If you take into account the fact that around level 12 you have a feat to burn, the sorcerer will take ritual caster wizard and now have access to all wizards rituals fully achieving complete appropriation of what was the strong points going for the wizards. When all that defines you is given to an other, how do you keep relevant? Simple, you don't. Now, not only can the sorcerer can do what the wizard do, but he does it better, albeit one rest at a time but in many campaigns it will not matter, it might in yours, but remember that you are not alone doing campaigns. In addition, the sorcerer keeps his metamagic to boot. If the rule had been all spells can be changed in down time, it would have been way better. [/QUOTE]

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