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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8096832" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>They don't have the majority of the highly situational exploration and plan-enacting spells we're talking about on their spell list. Intentionally. This isn't just a thing the spell designers thought out for this edition - it's a thing going back through almost all the editions. There is a special set of these types of spells intended for the wizard to prep with a rest using their spell-book which the divine casters never had. The reason the sorcerer had them was for spell scrolls if a DM needed the party to have access to that spell one time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>People ARE seeing it. There are more of us in this thread, and in other forums around the internet, complaining about how this fundamentally changes the wizard class than there are of you guys claiming it's no biggie. It's not hyperbole, no matter how many times you declare it is. It's not extreme. It is in fact one of the defining characteristics of the wizard class, and people who have played wizards a lot know that right away. You don't have to listen, but your disdain sure isn't persuading anyone. Particularly your "not how real people actually play D&D" nonsense, which just makes you sound like a snob who thinks his games are the way everyone must play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 8096832, member: 2525"] They don't have the majority of the highly situational exploration and plan-enacting spells we're talking about on their spell list. Intentionally. This isn't just a thing the spell designers thought out for this edition - it's a thing going back through almost all the editions. There is a special set of these types of spells intended for the wizard to prep with a rest using their spell-book which the divine casters never had. The reason the sorcerer had them was for spell scrolls if a DM needed the party to have access to that spell one time. People ARE seeing it. There are more of us in this thread, and in other forums around the internet, complaining about how this fundamentally changes the wizard class than there are of you guys claiming it's no biggie. It's not hyperbole, no matter how many times you declare it is. It's not extreme. It is in fact one of the defining characteristics of the wizard class, and people who have played wizards a lot know that right away. You don't have to listen, but your disdain sure isn't persuading anyone. Particularly your "not how real people actually play D&D" nonsense, which just makes you sound like a snob who thinks his games are the way everyone must play. [/QUOTE]
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