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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 8097038" data-attributes="member: 2525">Yes, they do. Second only to the Wizard, which has that limitation the sorcerers now do not have.This is you fiating arguments you don't want to address. You're making a blanket claim that it's unrealstic, with zero support for the claim. It looks like you're trying to substitute emotion for a thoughtful argument. Why is it unrealistic for a sorcerer player to do what wizard players have done since the 1970s in almost every edition of the game? Because...reasons? Where has anyone every made a claim which is comparable to "dying from drinking water"? Nowhere, but maybe if you make bolder and ruder allegations people won't notice it's not a comparable analogy to our arguments? It is. As a wizard fan, I am looking at a shadow or divine soul sorcerer build right now because of this change. I don't know why you think optimizers will suddenly not optimize with a new rule that is so ripe for abuse, but you look naive and foolish for dismissing it as some corner case when it isn't. Yes. Would you prefer elitist? Narrow minded? Inexperienced? Lacking in imagination? Behaving like a jerk to your peers? You tell me, how would you have taken to that kind of comment directed at you when you were being sincere?</blockquote>