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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8097424" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Sure, they might have an idea, but again what exactly do you prepare to Explore region Z? Do you know that the secret cult of the Undead Whale is in the Desert? That they have found an underground aquifer and this adventure will find good use for water breathing? What exactly are the guards like in Stronghold X's secret basement? Will spells that affect humanoids be useful or not? This is the limit we are talking about. And again, Sorcerers have very few spells available to know. To change one is a big decision.So, now it isn't just the sorcerer, but also every other class including the Bard that we have to consider. You know, if you had a party with a Druid, A Cleric, A Bard, and a Sorcerer.... maybe playing a wizard wasn't the greatest idea anyways. That niche of &quot;has the magical answer&quot; seems like it was kind of crowded. Oh, and we need to worry that in the 6th Edition of Dungeons and Dragons (which we have no indication is coming any time soon) that the wizard will become even less unique, as clearly the Sorcerer and other classes wouldn't also be changed? That is some stretching to be concerned about a rule in 5e causing ruin in 6e.&quot;This rule is bad for me, because of my specific set-up&quot; is a far different argument than &quot;Wizards are obsolete from the game, because they have been ruined and all their features given to other classes, sound the death knell!&quot; If this rule is bad, for you specifically, then that is why it is optional. But, you are trying to argue it is bad in general, that no one should use it. And some of the rest of us are trying to show, that this massive disruption you fear, is not really all that big, considering the actual way we see our games played.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8097424, member: 6801228"] Sure, they might have an idea, but again what exactly do you prepare to Explore region Z? Do you know that the secret cult of the Undead Whale is in the Desert? That they have found an underground aquifer and this adventure will find good use for water breathing? What exactly are the guards like in Stronghold X's secret basement? Will spells that affect humanoids be useful or not? This is the limit we are talking about. And again, Sorcerers have very few spells available to know. To change one is a big decision. So, now it isn't just the sorcerer, but also every other class including the Bard that we have to consider. You know, if you had a party with a Druid, A Cleric, A Bard, and a Sorcerer.... maybe playing a wizard wasn't the greatest idea anyways. That niche of "has the magical answer" seems like it was kind of crowded. Oh, and we need to worry that in the 6th Edition of Dungeons and Dragons (which we have no indication is coming any time soon) that the wizard will become even less unique, as clearly the Sorcerer and other classes wouldn't also be changed? That is some stretching to be concerned about a rule in 5e causing ruin in 6e. "This rule is bad for me, because of my specific set-up" is a far different argument than "Wizards are obsolete from the game, because they have been ruined and all their features given to other classes, sound the death knell!" If this rule is bad,[B][I] for you specifically[/I][/B], then that is why it is optional. But, you are trying to argue it is bad in general, that no one should use it. And some of the rest of us are trying to show, that this massive disruption you fear, is not really all that big, considering the actual way we see our games played. [/QUOTE]

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