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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8098371" data-attributes="member: 6801228">With both Helldritch and dnd4vr leaving the thread, I won't quote or mention them, but I do want to address a point dnd4vr made, that I find myself disagreeing with a little bit. That blindly implementing these rules will have disastrous effects for certain DMs. With most games being low level, and most games not involving massive amounts of scouting and information gathering (these are newer players and DMs supposedly) then all of the things being mentioned as making this rule broken... won't be there. Instead, this rule is &quot;worse&quot; for veteran groups with very experienced DMs, or highly competitive players with less experienced DMs. And in the latter case, this rule isn't going to make things much worse than they would already be for that group.So, I don't really see this ruining anyones game, and if it does, I think it will be kind of obvious if it is this rule doing it, since it will be fairly obvious when the players are utilizing this rule.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8098371, member: 6801228"] With both Helldritch and dnd4vr leaving the thread, I won't quote or mention them, but I do want to address a point dnd4vr made, that I find myself disagreeing with a little bit. That blindly implementing these rules will have disastrous effects for certain DMs. With most games being low level, and most games not involving massive amounts of scouting and information gathering (these are newer players and DMs supposedly) then all of the things being mentioned as making this rule broken... won't be there. Instead, this rule is "worse" for veteran groups with very experienced DMs, or highly competitive players with less experienced DMs. And in the latter case, this rule isn't going to make things much worse than they would already be for that group. So, I don't really see this ruining anyones game, and if it does, I think it will be kind of obvious if it is this rule doing it, since it will be fairly obvious when the players are utilizing this rule. [/QUOTE]

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