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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steverooo" data-source="post: 2087629" data-attributes="member: 9410">And this is the problem, as I see it... that, and Prestige Classes giving greater power within a tighter focus...  I don't want a Prestige Class!  I want Ranger (or Bard, or whatever) to BE my Prestige Class!PrCs usually start at around level 6+ (assuming you're of a class to take the skill prerequisites, and have chosen the "right" Feats, otherwise it takes longer).  PC classes should start offering more powerful boosts at around the same time.  You take a PrC, you have to wait to get those goodies.  You multiclass, likewise.Given a choice between ShadowDancers' Hide in Plain Sight, and waiting until level (what is it?  15?) for the Ranger's version, who will want to wait?  Of course, if you have chosen the "wrong" Feats, then you'll have to!   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I think special abilities (and/or Feats) granted every level would help make less need for a great many PrCs (especially the "Archetypal" ones - things like the Gatecrasher would still exist).I would rather see Prestige Classes be more along the lines of something like:Knights of the Hart: Must be Human, Elven, or Half-Elven knights of noble bearing, able to wield all manner of arms, at least some forms of armor, show their mettle in combat (BAB +6 or higher), and have proven their loyalty to the King of Furyondy, or their valor in battle alongside his knights.Requirements, without all the "mechanics" (why do ShadowDancers need ranks in Perform (Dance), anyway, besides it wastes Skill Points, and goes with the name?  I always wondered that!)  The racial limitations, above, are game-dependent, but the other things are pretty much what you'd expect from a Knight...  You could add requirements about (say) proving skill with a bow, lance, sword, and mace, for instance.  The only "mechanicky" thing about this is the BAB...  No way I can see, for instance, to distinguish between 16 STR and +3 BAB and a +6...Then again, I have never used PrCs.  My PC has never seen one he would even qualify for!   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Oh well...  I don't write the D&D rules...</blockquote>

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