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<blockquote data-quote="Frozen_Heart" data-source="post: 8521785" data-attributes="member: 7029687">I mean yeah I agree. That's exactly what the Beastmaster is in 5e.It's also a very clear demonstration that a subclass cannot fill a concept in a manner as unique or interesting as a full class, simply because it has to balance its power budget against that of the main class.The Pathfinder 2e summoner lets you select what creature type and abilities it has, and then develop them from there. It's not just a beast, you could select a celestial, a construct, a demon, a dragon, or tons of other options each with their own quirks and abilities. (this is permanently selected at the start, like a subclass).From there you can upgrade it, allowing it to fly, become large enough to ride, use ranged attacks, actually merge your character into it, and lots of other traits.Meanwhile in 5e you're just a ranger who can tell their beast to bite occasionally.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Frozen_Heart, post: 8521785, member: 7029687"] I mean yeah I agree. That's exactly what the Beastmaster is in 5e. It's also a very clear demonstration that a subclass cannot fill a concept in a manner as unique or interesting as a full class, simply because it has to balance its power budget against that of the main class. The Pathfinder 2e summoner lets you select what creature type and abilities it has, and then develop them from there. It's not just a beast, you could select a celestial, a construct, a demon, a dragon, or tons of other options each with their own quirks and abilities. (this is permanently selected at the start, like a subclass). From there you can upgrade it, allowing it to fly, become large enough to ride, use ranged attacks, actually merge your character into it, and lots of other traits. Meanwhile in 5e you're just a ranger who can tell their beast to bite occasionally. [/QUOTE]

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