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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8522400" data-attributes="member: 6704184">It may be more a matter of different strictness of definition. I can’t think of any clerics in fiction that actually look like a D&amp;D cleric, but aren’t better made as paladins.Exactly. When they did what was actually needed to make a spellcaster (Hexblade Warlock) into a working gish (kinda, still has too low HP), half the community freaked out that it was super broken! And it’s still just not tough enough and too much of your actions are spent choosing between weapon-attacking and Spellcasting.Idk about that. How useful is familiarity with Gandalf when designing the Wizard?Simpler, but also won’t make the Bladesinger a swordmage. Maybe if you could also spend spell slots to extend the Bladesong, it’d get closer than nearly anything else in 5e, but it’s still gonna mostly just be a Wizard.Or an “aegis” that can be temporarily weakened in order to do a damage spike. Or that can be used 1/round to either reduce damage as a reaction, or boost damage as a bonus action. Yeah there is a a lot of stuff. Yeah basically. And this is a thing where sometimes designers are best served by taking the chance and just making the cool new thing. Exactly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8522400, member: 6704184"] It may be more a matter of different strictness of definition. I can’t think of any clerics in fiction that actually look like a D&D cleric, but aren’t better made as paladins. Exactly. When they did what was actually needed to make a spellcaster (Hexblade Warlock) into a working gish (kinda, still has too low HP), half the community freaked out that it was super broken! And it’s still just not tough enough and too much of your actions are spent choosing between weapon-attacking and Spellcasting. Idk about that. How useful is familiarity with Gandalf when designing the Wizard? Simpler, but also won’t make the Bladesinger a swordmage. Maybe if you could also spend spell slots to extend the Bladesong, it’d get closer than nearly anything else in 5e, but it’s still gonna mostly just be a Wizard. Or an “aegis” that can be temporarily weakened in order to do a damage spike. Or that can be used 1/round to either reduce damage as a reaction, or boost damage as a bonus action. Yeah there is a a lot of stuff. Yeah basically. And this is a thing where sometimes designers are best served by taking the chance and just making the cool new thing. Exactly. [/QUOTE]

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