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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frozen_Heart" data-source="post: 8525926" data-attributes="member: 7029687">I do fully understand that 5e has no room for a dedicated swordmage class, simply because each part of the swordmage has been done elsewhere either themewise or mechanic wise. Just in lots of individual bits which can't be stuck together as a whole anymore. No gish subclass in 5e fills the role as well as the duskblade, swordmage, or magus has in the past. But adding those classes would invalidate all the gish subclasses in the game now.It's one of the reasons why I'm frustrated with 5e's approach to classes as a whole. They're so desperate to make everything a subclass that it's causing option bloat due to the sheer number of subclasses, while they're still doing it worse than a full class would.Hopefully the 2024 edition gives a chance to rejig the classes from scratch.</blockquote>