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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8525945" data-attributes="member: 87792">The thing is that there's enough variety between the classes that you propose removing that I don't think that a single hypothetical class can cover them all. It's never existed in any edition (although some Gish-types have) and the balance between spell and sword is so different for the different subclasses that you'd need something very fiddly.And you say the bladesinger is &quot;super restricted&quot;. I'd say that's part of why it works thematically. A sword in one hand and spell in the other is iconic. And that even most sword wielding mages don't wear much armour either because they can't wear it because the armour interferes or simply because they are protected by magic. It's an iconic combination - and if it didn't have to do this most wouldn't.And [USER=7029687]@Frozen_Heart[/USER] I can't agree that the duskblade, that capped at 4th level spells, was anything other than very slightly better than the Eldritch Knight. Meanwhile the swordmage was pretty good - and is an entirely different class and approach from the magus. And a duskblade certainly didn't cover the same sort of gish as the bladesinger.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8525945, member: 87792"] The thing is that there's enough variety between the classes that you propose removing that I don't think that a single hypothetical class [I]can[/I] cover them all. It's never existed in any edition (although some Gish-types have) and the balance between spell and sword is so different for the different subclasses that you'd need something very fiddly. And you say the bladesinger is "super restricted". I'd say that's part of why it works thematically. A sword in one hand and spell in the other is iconic. And that even most sword wielding mages don't wear much armour either because they can't wear it because the armour interferes or simply because they are protected by magic. It's an iconic combination - and if it didn't have to do this most wouldn't. And [USER=7029687]@Frozen_Heart[/USER] I can't agree that the duskblade, that capped at 4th level spells, was anything other than very slightly better than the Eldritch Knight. Meanwhile the swordmage was pretty good - and is an entirely different class and approach from the magus. And a duskblade [I]certainly[/I] didn't cover the same sort of gish as the bladesinger. [/QUOTE]

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