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<blockquote data-quote="Najo" data-source="post: 3946205" data-attributes="member: 9959"><p>20 mins is nothing. D&D is going to smoother its players with fluff, character concepts and story. Your D&D characters are going to not die as easily as you do in WOW. D&D is going to make the players the heroes of the story, and they won't have to kill boars for tusks...over...and over...and over...and over...</p><p></p><p>D&D is coming with a vengence <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>BTW, the buy in your refer to is an industry term called Barriers to Entry. Most expert gamers do not conciously think of the Barriers new players face, often seeing things from their own perspective instead of that of the gaming novice. </p><p></p><p>WOW has virutally no barriers to entry from level 1-10. Very few from 11-40 and a handful up to 60. Then you hit a brick wall with raiding, which WOW has been working on fixing.</p><p></p><p>Until now, roleplaying and D&D especially, has many Barriers to Entry: </p><p></p><p>Finding a group to play with</p><p>Understanding the abstract/ non-rule aspects of role playing</p><p>different play styles (hack n slay vs plot driven games mostly)</p><p>good vs bad DMs</p><p>finding a DM</p><p>Having to become a DM</p><p>No solo play</p><p>overwhelming rules</p><p>boring books to read</p><p>no immediate reward when you buy the game </p><p>character changes not frequent enough</p><p>step learning curve </p><p>multiple books to buy</p><p>confusing starting point (basic game or players handbook)</p><p>obscure lore and fluff </p><p>complicated/ non-intutive rules (vancian magic, multi classing, hit dice, magic item locations, grapple, tripping, sundering, environmental rules, etc)</p><p></p><p>As you can see, this is why D&D needed a 4th edition. It was losing players to WOW and it wasn't bringing in new blood. 4e is trying to solve that and make D&D survive into the mainstream fantasy market (as much as it can) so new blood is attracted to it. This is a good thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Najo, post: 3946205, member: 9959"] 20 mins is nothing. D&D is going to smoother its players with fluff, character concepts and story. Your D&D characters are going to not die as easily as you do in WOW. D&D is going to make the players the heroes of the story, and they won't have to kill boars for tusks...over...and over...and over...and over... D&D is coming with a vengence ;) BTW, the buy in your refer to is an industry term called Barriers to Entry. Most expert gamers do not conciously think of the Barriers new players face, often seeing things from their own perspective instead of that of the gaming novice. WOW has virutally no barriers to entry from level 1-10. Very few from 11-40 and a handful up to 60. Then you hit a brick wall with raiding, which WOW has been working on fixing. Until now, roleplaying and D&D especially, has many Barriers to Entry: Finding a group to play with Understanding the abstract/ non-rule aspects of role playing different play styles (hack n slay vs plot driven games mostly) good vs bad DMs finding a DM Having to become a DM No solo play overwhelming rules boring books to read no immediate reward when you buy the game character changes not frequent enough step learning curve multiple books to buy confusing starting point (basic game or players handbook) obscure lore and fluff complicated/ non-intutive rules (vancian magic, multi classing, hit dice, magic item locations, grapple, tripping, sundering, environmental rules, etc) As you can see, this is why D&D needed a 4th edition. It was losing players to WOW and it wasn't bringing in new blood. 4e is trying to solve that and make D&D survive into the mainstream fantasy market (as much as it can) so new blood is attracted to it. This is a good thing. [/QUOTE]
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