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<blockquote data-quote="Hexmage-EN" data-source="post: 7779996" data-attributes="member: 79428"><p>4E did a lot with him in the Points of Light setting's Dawn War (which is similar to the War of Law and Chaos in other editions). </p><p></p><p>Basically, Tharizdun betrayed his fellow gods to lead a number of godlike, mostly-chaotic elemental lords called the primordials against them, but this attempt was thwarted (this explains Tharizdun's alias Elder Elemental Eye and the Princes of Elemental Evil's interest in him). Later he discovered a "Seed of Evil" that promised him even greater power and a new army. This Seed was created by the obyriths, the twelve surviving demon lords (including the Queen of Chaos, Obox-Ob, Dagon, and Pazuzu) of a multiverse whose destruction they themselves had caused. They needed a tear in the planar fabric to escape to a new multiverse, and they wanted Tharizdun to plant the Seed in the Astral Plane, but he instead planted it in the Elemental Planes. After the Abyss formed he tried to take control of it and its demons to attack the gods but was again thwarted. Eventually the other gods had enough of the destruction Tharizdun was causing, so they worked together to defeat and imprison him. </p><p></p><p>This is all technically 4E specific, but the 4E cosmology itself is essentially the product of an alternate outcome to the War of Law and Chaos, one where attempts to organize the Outer and Elemental Planes were thwarted and the Abyss formed in a different place. Further, the 4E origin of the demons (and devils as well) work well as an elaboration on the origins given in 3.5's Fiendish Codex series, which themselves still followed the Great Wheel cosmology and inherited many details from 2E. Given that there is little detail on Tharizdun given outside of 4E one could use much of the lore concerning him from that edition without contradicting much else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hexmage-EN, post: 7779996, member: 79428"] 4E did a lot with him in the Points of Light setting's Dawn War (which is similar to the War of Law and Chaos in other editions). Basically, Tharizdun betrayed his fellow gods to lead a number of godlike, mostly-chaotic elemental lords called the primordials against them, but this attempt was thwarted (this explains Tharizdun's alias Elder Elemental Eye and the Princes of Elemental Evil's interest in him). Later he discovered a "Seed of Evil" that promised him even greater power and a new army. This Seed was created by the obyriths, the twelve surviving demon lords (including the Queen of Chaos, Obox-Ob, Dagon, and Pazuzu) of a multiverse whose destruction they themselves had caused. They needed a tear in the planar fabric to escape to a new multiverse, and they wanted Tharizdun to plant the Seed in the Astral Plane, but he instead planted it in the Elemental Planes. After the Abyss formed he tried to take control of it and its demons to attack the gods but was again thwarted. Eventually the other gods had enough of the destruction Tharizdun was causing, so they worked together to defeat and imprison him. This is all technically 4E specific, but the 4E cosmology itself is essentially the product of an alternate outcome to the War of Law and Chaos, one where attempts to organize the Outer and Elemental Planes were thwarted and the Abyss formed in a different place. Further, the 4E origin of the demons (and devils as well) work well as an elaboration on the origins given in 3.5's Fiendish Codex series, which themselves still followed the Great Wheel cosmology and inherited many details from 2E. Given that there is little detail on Tharizdun given outside of 4E one could use much of the lore concerning him from that edition without contradicting much else. [/QUOTE]
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