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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6105296" data-attributes="member: 1465">Even then, how can Basic remain simple with 3-4 additional abilities, even if you cannot choose them? Not choosing them makes creating (and levelling up) your PC is simpler, but playing it is just as complicated.It would have worked in 3e because there were lots of passive feats, but 5e doesn't have many passive feats because of bounded accuracy (&quot;passive&quot; typically means a static bonus to something), thus even if fixed these bonus feats will equate to more options during the game, which means same complexity as before.But my more general point is, why are these bonus feats really needed?If they put them to balance the classes, I think this level of fine balance is premature, in a game which still swinging widely in how some core mechanics work.So I tend to think that they put them there simply as placeholders because there used to be maneuvers at those levels. But this clearly is causing a lot of confusion to us...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6105296, member: 1465"] Even then, how can Basic remain simple with 3-4 additional abilities, even if you cannot choose them? Not choosing them makes creating (and levelling up) your PC is simpler, but playing it is just as complicated. It would have worked in 3e because there were lots of passive feats, but 5e doesn't have many passive feats because of bounded accuracy ("passive" typically means a static bonus to something), thus even if fixed these bonus feats will equate to more options during the game, which means same complexity as before. But my more general point is, why are these bonus feats [I]really[/I] needed? If they put them to balance the classes, I think this level of fine balance is premature, in a game which still swinging widely in how some core mechanics work. So I tend to think that they put them there simply as placeholders because there used to be maneuvers at those levels. But this clearly is causing a lot of confusion to us... [/QUOTE]

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