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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3371020" data-attributes="member: 15999">These are the only ones from books I have, so the only ones I can comment on.  The feat and skill opportunity costs for Archmage are pretty hefty (especially if you want to max Concentration and UMD), and a sorcerer can't get into the class until level 15. Fatespinner and Elemental Savant DO have a problem, as I noted.  Wild Mage is especially problematic if you allow the Practiced Spellcaster cheese and if you allow Student of Chaos to work with a Deck of Many Things.  Divine Oracle isn't available to a sorc until level 14 (need 8 ranks of a cross-class skill) and requires an utterly useless feat.  It's not bad if you can get into it earlier (as a wizard), but its abilities become less useful at high levels.  By level 14, a sorc has Limited Wish to duplicate most spells he needs, and can likely obtain or make a Ring of Evasion.  The F/S/EK combo looks like fun to play, and will be more durable but not as powerful as a straight sorcerer.  Always a full spell level behind.  Looks like a perfectly valid choice but not so good as to be a no-brainer for every sorcerer. Feat costs are a really significant barrier to PrCs.  Look at something like Sudden Quicken.  You will never get that unless you devote all of your feat choices to it, and that means no PrCs (other than Fatespinner).</blockquote>