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Message: <blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 3755710" data-attributes="member: 40227">I don't think they'll be called subraces, but it seems (at this point, given that we know only a little!) that they will effectively be subraces.  Matter of semantics?Depends if you like how it was to start. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I haven't used eladrin myself and am only sort of familiar with them through recent Dungeon adventures (including STAP), but I like what I see. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> One thing this seems to indicate, though, is a continuing separation of the cosmologies of the different settings, like the devil-demon revision does; I guess I like the idea of a unified cosmology (which I will certainly feel free to use, no matter the edition <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />).  I also have to say that this feels somewhat like the 4e fluff is being redone just because WotC can redo it, without other deep reasons.To the others: I use the word retcon to refer to the monster, though I know the setting is new.  If you go from the 3e MM to the 4e PH (?), you'll get a different creature and in a way that sounds like quite a big difference.  This will probably make the 4e FRCS designers jump through all kinds of hoops explaining things, unless of course eladrins and elves are similar enough to be the sun/moon elves and wood/wild elves respectively.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> You know, I get the sense that we're all just talking about whether we like the setting or not, but that's perhaps a different thread, for another day (well, until I get my rest -- I'm like a 3e wizard, out of posts per day <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> ).</blockquote>

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