"New Design Math" for Monsters....which books exactly?

[Superking]

Quick question for everyone. I know in the Monster Manual 3 they revised the math on monsters, especially solos. What I am wondering is which other books use this newer design.

The Essentials Monster Vault in addition to MM3, but any others?

I was looking at the Underdark book and some of the encounters in there and couldn't help wonder if it was done for that book or not.

And for those playing Encounters at their FLGS, are they also in the new format with new math?

 

[Riastlin]

I believe (but not positive) that Demonomicon has the new math as well. I don't own the book unfortunately, so can't say for sure.

 

[hayek]

Darksun has new math

 

[Shroomy]

MM3, Monster Vault, Demonomicon, and the Dark Sun Creature Catalog are the published books using the new damage values and layout (the DDI magazines have also used them since sometime last summer).

 

[Jools]

I was just about to ask this question myself. I knew which books had the new math but I'd really like to know which non-book monsters do too. So, if someones willing to help, which dungeon adventures have the new math? Also, do the new monsters added from the LoM cards have the new math?

 

[B_Ryan]

I think there's a WotC article that lists all the to-hit bonuses and damages for monsters by role. You could use any monster and just grab the right attack numbers

 

[Neverfate]

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateJuly2010.pdf

I believe this update/errata from July has the actual math in it.

 

[aco175]

Thanks for the link. It should come in handy when modifing monsters.

 

[Dedekind]

I tried applying the new math to Revenge of the Giants and I didn't see a whole lot of differences. It mostly comes down to the Elite and Solo monsters, am I right?

 

[Lord Ernie]

I tried applying the new math to Revenge of the Giants and I didn't see a whole lot of differences. It mostly comes down to the Elite and Solo monsters, am I right?

While Elites and Solo's are indeed the ones who received the most updates, this is not really true. Monster damage should be upgraded across the board, and Brutes are no longer at -2 to attack compared to everything else. I also believe Soldiers have taken a hit in their NAD's (ouch!), and Artillery actually gained an accuracy bonus on ranged and area attacks.