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<blockquote data-quote="maggot" data-source="post: 1238249" data-attributes="member: 1005"><p>Thanks for the reply. I agree the special power needs to be more special. I thought about nonlethal damage, but couldn't work it in. I even considered your power but only for one attack per day. Having it last for multiple rounds is a little over the top because it is effectively doubling damage against a lot of foes. Then again, melee ability start to suck when a cleric becomes high level.</p><p></p><p>The current FR pain domain power is very weak. I almost went with deal 2 STR and DEX damage with a touch attack once/level/day. Still weak at higher levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For good or for bad, this is a design constraint. It is not going to change.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The domain is already necro-heavy. 8 of nine spells are necromancy. I wanted something outside necromancy, and the idea of enduring more pain yourself through increased toughness appealed to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Having Symbol of Pain, a very situtational spell, as a domain spell is very weak. If you ever want to spend the cash and time to make a Symbol of Pain, you could certainly spare the 5th level regular slot. Still, I concidered it. Maybe if I drop Symbol of Pain to 4th level domain (and raise Enervation to 5th), their would be some effect to having the Symbol of Pain in the domain. Oh for the 3.0 days when you could quickly scribe the symbol, that would have been worth it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Soul bind is already on the cleric list at 9th level, so it suffers from the Symbol of Pain situation. I could see a domain with one situational spell at the same level, but two or three would make the domain unplayable. Well, only worth it if the domain power was very good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not big on the symbols, but insanity might work. Feeblemind is in the FR pain domain.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for your reply. It got me thinking again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="maggot, post: 1238249, member: 1005"] Thanks for the reply. I agree the special power needs to be more special. I thought about nonlethal damage, but couldn't work it in. I even considered your power but only for one attack per day. Having it last for multiple rounds is a little over the top because it is effectively doubling damage against a lot of foes. Then again, melee ability start to suck when a cleric becomes high level. The current FR pain domain power is very weak. I almost went with deal 2 STR and DEX damage with a touch attack once/level/day. Still weak at higher levels. For good or for bad, this is a design constraint. It is not going to change. The domain is already necro-heavy. 8 of nine spells are necromancy. I wanted something outside necromancy, and the idea of enduring more pain yourself through increased toughness appealed to me. Having Symbol of Pain, a very situtational spell, as a domain spell is very weak. If you ever want to spend the cash and time to make a Symbol of Pain, you could certainly spare the 5th level regular slot. Still, I concidered it. Maybe if I drop Symbol of Pain to 4th level domain (and raise Enervation to 5th), their would be some effect to having the Symbol of Pain in the domain. Oh for the 3.0 days when you could quickly scribe the symbol, that would have been worth it. Soul bind is already on the cleric list at 9th level, so it suffers from the Symbol of Pain situation. I could see a domain with one situational spell at the same level, but two or three would make the domain unplayable. Well, only worth it if the domain power was very good. I'm not big on the symbols, but insanity might work. Feeblemind is in the FR pain domain. Thanks for your reply. It got me thinking again. [/QUOTE]
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