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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rechan" data-source="post: 3970671" data-attributes="member: 54846">Saying it's Obscure and saying "Most people who read fantasy aren't assumed to have read it" are two different things.But its level of prominence dictates something. As I referenced earlier, elves who make shoes are also in mythology, but they by no means are on equal footing as Hercules. Just because it's there means very little.If you go back and read what I said, I said "Rich history firmly rooted in mythology" in a sarcastic manner. Gnosticism was brief and obscure, so it's not a rich history, and again, not deeply rooted if it didn't last a long time. If a sect of people popped up in the middle of no where for five years and created a Theory of Creation and then died out, and their theories were barely touched upon until late 20th century, that doesn't mean that their theory of creation and all their mythological ideas are on equal, strong, historical footing that have as much literary basis in Western literature and fantasy writing as anything else. It's a snapshot of a small group's ideas that disappeared, compared to legends and lore that have been prevelent for centuries.  So D&D's downplaying mythology is irrelevent, but using Archons as angels is somehow wrong because it's downplaying mythology in D&D?If it has nothing to do with D&D, then what's the problem?You're the one making the argument that gnosticism is common in literature. I'm sorry that you are having to back up your claim. If I was making a claim that Janism was influential and common, I would be expected to provide proof of that, because the burden of proof lies on myself. No.Short answer? Knights, dragons, magic swords, witches.Long answer: Do you really want an essay on what I think is common to most fantasy readers?I went back - you're right. I've confused you with Banshee.Then why are you arguing his point that Most fantasy readers read this stuff if that's not what you think?</blockquote>

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