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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kennew142" data-source="post: 3971750" data-attributes="member: 18490">Just for the record, demodands were very major players in the Shackled City adventure path. I am led to believe that this was a fairly popular adventure. They also make an appearance in Age of Worms.I guess everyone has their own preferences in campaign design and playing style, so we'll never come to an agreement here. As for myself, I have never used any of the clestials in any game I've ever run. My campaigns are about the player characters, humans and human-like mortals, facing down the forces of evil. I don't run campaigns in which evil PCs storm the vaults of heaven, nor where the PCs work as side-kicks to ubercelestials who are fighting the forces of darkness. The focus of the campaign has always been on the PCs.I'm not saying that powerful celestials don't have a place in the background of some campaigns. I'm just saying that I've never found them useful as a creature type in any game I've run. I like the PCs to feel like they're the only thing standing between humanity and the forces of evil, not just another cog in the endless array of goodness and niceness.</blockquote>