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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Avenger" data-source="post: 3972018" data-attributes="member: 779">Most Archons didn't have animal-heads, in fact most of them looked like, well Angels.  They're leaders the Celestial Hebdomad (Domiel, Zaphkiel, Pistis Sophia), are in fact named after Angels from bibical sources.  The Trumpet Archon looked like an angel, Sword Archons too, Tome well in 3e they were changed to being angels with scrolls for wings, Lanterns were balls of light, sure there were Hounds, Warden and Owl which did resemble animals, but 3e also introduced Word Archons, Syllibic Guardians, Hammer Archons and Justice Archons, and none of them resembled animals.  Though a few of the new Archons were introduced as things to fill in outsider types for new systems like psionics (Syllibic Guardian) or true names (Word Archon).Though I do see how many Archons do overlap with Angels, and I'm not adverse to a bunch of the changes they're doing to the Angels, as long as they keep Devas, Planetars and Solars, since those 3 (well 5 counting the 3 types of Deva) fit into most players ideas of what an angel resembles.  In fact I hope they do broaden the types of angels around, I'd certainly nominate the Asuras to be classified as Angels in 4e, since as "Angels of Wrath" they fit right in with that Angel of Vengeance.  And they look like slightly monstrous angels with clawed talons and flaming wings, have interesting abilities like unleashing burning winds of fire when flapping their wings together as a group (since "gang" abilities seem to be a thing in 4e), and even had a spell-like abilty to use Discern Lies at will as one that wasn't arbitrary like so many of those creatures.  In fact they were likely to be the type of celestial the party would get into fights with, due to their nature as wrathful truth-seeing celestials.  But there's the issue of the name "Asuras" which many do associate with Demons, since a simplistic way of describing an Asuras is a Hindu Demon.  Though I know they weren't necessarily evil in early Hindu mythology, and the D&D Asuras is based more on the Persian/Zoraostrian interpretation of them.I hope that they group ToB's Valkyries and MM5's Arcadian Avenger, and that creature composed of floating words introduced in some issue of Dragon as angels, as it would introduce some variety angels, and have them as things that could be either hostile or helpful to different parties of PCs depending on what they did.</blockquote>

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