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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7962386" data-attributes="member: 71699">Seeing as your argument here rests on a contention that monsters that wield weapons do not follow the same rules as PCs, and we are speaking here of matters of RAW, you will need to reference the relevant rules.If you do not, then I will be justified in saying that such RAW does not exist. The original RAW will thus allow tiny creatures to use Heavy weapons and not, as you put it, allow or disallow their use at the same time.This is quite a different contention. Your first contention was about whether creatures that wield weapons do so under the same rules as PCs. So if an orc picks up a pike, they may or may not have reach. Setting aside a DM's ongoing authority to change any rule, the default by RAW is that an orc with a pike has reach with that pike.Taking your point here to be roughly an assertion of COWTRA (just because the rules haven't disallowed something, doesn't mean that its allowed), then given that the rules say that a pike gives reach, we should suppose that an orc using a pike gains reach. What we should not suppose is that an orc with a pike gains finesse, because the rules don't say that orcs with pikes don't have finesse (even if, as a matter of possibility, they could one day in the unknown future say that they do get finesse).[EDIT: Reflecting on how you construct your idea here, it really is kind of nice. I like the way that you urge us to reflect on a past moment when X did not exist, keeping in mind the present moment when X does exist, and understand that there might have been no need to have rules constraining X back then, before it existed. All I am saying is that it is wrong to say in this case that X did not exist back then, or at least put the burden on you to show some evidence for your claim that it did not.)[EDIT2: I guess this question becomes moot considering that magic can make PCs tiny.]</blockquote>

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