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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 5002241" data-attributes="member: 8158">Ah, the &quot;secondary role&quot; rationale rears its en-vogue head.I like the avenger class, but it sure seems like the designers didn't know where to go with it in regards to weapons and armor. With weapons, they are steered towards wielding the biggest weapon they can get their hands on by de facto virtue of having no incentive to use anything that isn't at the extreme end of the damage spectrum. That's a big hole in 4e martial classes in general I suppose. If you want to build some cool character like Enzio or Altair from the Assassin's Creed franchise, tricked out with all kinds of finesse weapons, it's pretty much rogue or bust, because everyone else is wielding a fullblade or one of its analogues.And what's the whole deal with putting avengers in cloth anyway, then giving them a faux set of hide? Now you have some guy running around dressed like a wizard but swinging a barbarian's weapon--makes a pain to find a good minis, if nothing else. Just give them chainmail proficiency and then they are on-par with all of the other non-defender classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Felon, post: 5002241, member: 8158"] Ah, the "secondary role" rationale rears its en-vogue head. I like the avenger class, but it sure seems like the designers didn't know where to go with it in regards to weapons and armor. With weapons, they are steered towards wielding the biggest weapon they can get their hands on by de facto virtue of having no incentive to use anything that isn't at the extreme end of the damage spectrum. That's a big hole in 4e martial classes in general I suppose. If you want to build some cool character like Enzio or Altair from the Assassin's Creed franchise, tricked out with all kinds of finesse weapons, it's pretty much rogue or bust, because everyone else is wielding a fullblade or one of its analogues. And what's the whole deal with putting avengers in cloth anyway, then giving them a faux set of hide? Now you have some guy running around dressed like a wizard but swinging a barbarian's weapon--makes a pain to find a good minis, if nothing else. Just give them chainmail proficiency and then they are on-par with all of the other non-defender classes. [/QUOTE]

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