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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6638728" data-attributes="member: 6787503">To me this is perfectly logical. Both the attacker and the target are unseen, so no one has a particular advantage. Why would either deserve to have an advantage, or a disadvantage?I don't think so. Nowhere in the errata is it suggested that the advantage for an unseen attacker has been taken away. I'm not sure where you're getting that. If they are both in the darkness, sans darkvision, they are both blinded when trying to see one another. No, you still get advantage for being unseen. You don't need to use stealth to be unseen when you are in darkness because the target is effectively blinded when trying to see you.</blockquote>