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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhulae" data-source="post: 3207646" data-attributes="member: 16958">Who's the one making the fallacious statements?   Back in Post #27, I used Bracers of Armor in my example.The monk's belt doesn't stack with the Armor bonus provided by a physical suit of Armor, or the shield bonus provided by a physical Shield.  Two specific bonuses that the belt doesn't stack with.  Therefore, it doesn't stack with *all* types of bonuses.  My statement is true.  Yes, other things *also* provide Armor bonuses (without being armor) and Shield bonuses (without being shields) that the belt will stack with.  However, the belt does *not* stack with *everything*, which is my point.But, the bracers *do* allow the use of a physical shield, something the Monk's belt does *not*, and therefore, again, is the better item.And, *yet* again, to *fully* benefit from the AC bonus the belt provides (which seems to be the whole basis of Infiniti2000's arguments), a character has to be very *specifically* geared to using the belt for AC, and spend a *considerable* amount of wealth to come *close* to providing the benefits real armor would. Non Wis Prime spellcasters would have a *much* harder time getting the maximum benefit from the item.  And, the benefit to monks has *nothing* to do with AC, so for monks, it's a non-issue as far as pricing goes.</blockquote>