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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 2626302" data-attributes="member: 111">Hmmm.. the issues at hand seem to be whether another spellcaster can supply the spell for creating a magic items and whether the caster level can be set by the creator regardless of the spell level supplied by a another cooperative spell caster.  The general rule is:Seems pretty clear so far.  Anyone can cast the spells needed, or they can be off of scrolls, and the caster level can be no lower than that needed for the spells required.Only Rings do not have the rule that:This leads us to one of three conclusions (choose which one you like best):1.  Creating rings (and only rings) allows cooperation or for spells to be from items (scrolls, etc.) per the general rule.  (Except the laguage on "prepared spells" excludes using items, if read very strictly).2.  The specific rules are all in error (or perhaps merely poorly phrased) and really don't mean to be restrictive to only the creator needing the spell.3  The general rule is in error and even rings don't really allow cooperation.  The fact that the similar statement about the creator needing the spell is missing is an oversight.I'd toss number 3 out right away, myself.Number 1 actually follows the rules as written, but leads one to wonder why a general rule was even published if only ring creation follows that rule - and, even then, not the whole rule, leaving a general rule that CANNOT be followed under any cirumstances.  That's does not make sense form a rules perspective and therefore is suspect.This leads me to think that number 2 is the correct rule, and that all this business of the creator needing the spell available him- or herself is misstated and simply poorly written and is true only if the creator happens to NOT have cooperation, and, in the latter case applies to the spell donor.There you have it.  Strict readfing would probably lead one incorrectly to conlcusion number 1 above, but that leaves one wondering why a rule is stated and then every creation rule other than riings does not follow that rule.  Something is clearly wroing there.</blockquote>

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