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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kjenks" data-source="post: 1985467" data-attributes="member: 12892">There are at least two more internal contradictions: Page 9: "The touch attack made to start a grapple is an attack roll (so the bonus would apply to this roll), but a grapple check is not an attack roll, and thus the bonus wouldn’t apply to the grapple check."Page 27: "If the grab succeeds, Bob is still prone and still suffers the –4 penalty for being prone for the ensuing opposed grapple check."Okay, so if a grapple check is not an attack roll, why would Bob get the -4 on page 27?===Page 28: "Hardness applies to acid and sonic attacks." ...and... "Hardness applies to force attacks."Page 39: "Acid, sonic, and force attacks ignore hardness. Hardness applies to cold, electricity, and fire attacks."</blockquote>