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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 2726970" data-attributes="member: 3400">I think the problem comes because they're over-generalizing to all of the shapechanging spells with the wording of the answers. They'd have been better off with more explicit coverage of each spell.Alter Self specifically rules out templates, but the spell is limited to changes within the same creature type anyway.Polymorph expands the creature types available, but doesn't include undead (and is silent on the subject of templates). Yet, they use shapechanging into a vampire as an example for justifying changing into a templated creature. Presumably, that works just fine for shapechange but for neither polymorph nor alter self since an undead creature is not allowed for either case. But I don't see a necessary problem with using a templated creature for polymorph even if polymorph is generally based on alter self. I see the broadening of the creature types as being enough of a justification for allowing the additional complexity, especially if that template changes the creature's type to a legal type under polymorph. And, truthfully, the FAQ does leave it open as an option a DM doesn't have to follow on the fly since it suggests that the player be made responsible for kitting up the stats to avoid the slowing of game time.</blockquote>