Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Million Dollar TTRPG Crowdfunders
Most Anticipated Tabletop RPGs Of The Year
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
ShortQuests -- Pocket Sized Adventures! An all-new collection of digest-sized D&D adventures designed for 1-2 game sessions.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
New feat: Arcane Critical
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Trainz" data-source="post: 1587088" data-attributes="member: 2122"><p>It might <strong>appear </strong>so, but let's see:</p><p> </p><p>In 3.5, creatures immune to crits is kind of a new "sacred cow" of sorts. The designers must have a very good reason to not have even touched with a 10 foot pole that aspect. Thus, when toying with the concept, I have a feeling that one must be very extra careful. So...</p><p> </p><p>Making it a skill check is opening the door for abuse, especially when coupled with other things. For one, an Invisible Blade from the Complete Warrior can make very good use of such a feat. Add to this that he has much skill points, probably fights with two daggers, and whatever skill is used to determine the crit (as per your suggestion) can be <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89652" target="_blank">boosted in many different ways</a>.</p><p> </p><p>Soon, your PC will make sneak attacks on every attack on every critter he fights. You will have a huge balance issue on your hands (the epic rogue's damage output will quickly surpass even the wizard's or fighter's).</p><p> </p><p>Thus my reason why a percentile level check: the player has NO WAY to increase his chance other than... gaining a level.</p><p> </p><p>You also suggest doubling a percentile level check. More reasonable, but still risky. Your 30th level rogue/invisible blade will have 60% chance to sneak on any of his (possibly) 9 attacks, thus about 6 attacks. Versus evil critters (BoED, exalted strike), and Lingering Damage from ELH, that's an average of 180d8 per round on any evil critter immune to sneaks, or an average of 810 damage.</p><p> </p><p>That's a lot for a 30th level critter.</p><p> </p><p>It is also <strong>very </strong>important to keep in mind that critters who are immune to crits sometimes have <strong>less</strong> hit points than regular critters to reflect the fact that they are immune to crits and sneaks. Their CR is also determined with that in mind.</p><p> </p><p>Like many others, I feel that the rogue and big crits dudes kind of get the shaft versus certain critters, and as a DM, i hate it when the PC's enter the undead dungeon to see the rogue sulk for half of it or the falchion weilding fighter go "YEAH CRIT ! oh... no never mind." for most of the ride. But I still want a balanced game. In such a dungeon and with this house feat, at least the 10th level fighter in question will have some excitment when rolling a crit because there will be a 1 in 10 chance that he actually does score a crit on the spectre !</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trainz, post: 1587088, member: 2122"] It might [b]appear [/b]so, but let's see: In 3.5, creatures immune to crits is kind of a new "sacred cow" of sorts. The designers must have a very good reason to not have even touched with a 10 foot pole that aspect. Thus, when toying with the concept, I have a feeling that one must be very extra careful. So... Making it a skill check is opening the door for abuse, especially when coupled with other things. For one, an Invisible Blade from the Complete Warrior can make very good use of such a feat. Add to this that he has much skill points, probably fights with two daggers, and whatever skill is used to determine the crit (as per your suggestion) can be [url="http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89652"]boosted in many different ways[/url]. Soon, your PC will make sneak attacks on every attack on every critter he fights. You will have a huge balance issue on your hands (the epic rogue's damage output will quickly surpass even the wizard's or fighter's). Thus my reason why a percentile level check: the player has NO WAY to increase his chance other than... gaining a level. You also suggest doubling a percentile level check. More reasonable, but still risky. Your 30th level rogue/invisible blade will have 60% chance to sneak on any of his (possibly) 9 attacks, thus about 6 attacks. Versus evil critters (BoED, exalted strike), and Lingering Damage from ELH, that's an average of 180d8 per round on any evil critter immune to sneaks, or an average of 810 damage. That's a lot for a 30th level critter. It is also [b]very [/b]important to keep in mind that critters who are immune to crits sometimes have [b]less[/b] hit points than regular critters to reflect the fact that they are immune to crits and sneaks. Their CR is also determined with that in mind. Like many others, I feel that the rogue and big crits dudes kind of get the shaft versus certain critters, and as a DM, i hate it when the PC's enter the undead dungeon to see the rogue sulk for half of it or the falchion weilding fighter go "YEAH CRIT ! oh... no never mind." for most of the ride. But I still want a balanced game. In such a dungeon and with this house feat, at least the 10th level fighter in question will have some excitment when rolling a crit because there will be a 1 in 10 chance that he actually does score a crit on the spectre ! [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
New feat: Arcane Critical
Top