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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DogBackward" data-source="post: 3431176" data-attributes="member: 50642">I'd advise against making the wishsong a bardic music effect. For one, that would mean that everybody who wants to use the wishsong is required to be a bard. This includes the other, non-wishsong specific bardic musics as well as the spells. Remember that the people who had access to the wishsong had no other magic.I'm actually beginning to think a base class would better represent the abilities. In the books, those with the wishsong didn't have many other abilities that couldn't be explained by skill allocation. Maybe use the bard as a basis, but replace the spells with a more diverse and more powerful wishsong (bardic music) mechanic.I can see a d6 HD, 6+Int skill points, medium BAB, and bard-like skill list. High will, no reflex. And a bardic music-like mechanic, adding Charisma to uses per day. It starts off allowing minor illusions and charm spells, and gets to the more powerful abilities at higher levels.Oh, and if you have the wishsong, you've gotta stat out the elfstones as well. I can see... Find the Path at will, and perhaps a Greater Dispel at will, that also deals magic damage when it dispels something... Something like that, anyway.</blockquote>