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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9815380" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Suboptimal is suboptimal and there is a material statistical difference with +1. You can argue it is not that significant, but it absolutely is there and it absolutely is suboptimal.</p><p></p><p>Further, the problem is not +1, it is actually +2 when you consider the mismatch exists on both the background and the 4th level feat.</p><p></p><p>+2 is 20% of your feats in a level 1 to 20 game or 100% for the average game which stops before level 12.</p><p></p><p>Also when you say expanding your story will influence play much more, consider the only ability that is on both the Background and the 4th level feat is Constitution, which is least thematic of any of the 6 abilities. Constitution bonuses are the least useful ability to build story off of and connect it to your character mechanically.</p><p></p><p>Finally we really need to come up with a definition of "optimal". A +3 or a +4 at level 4 is not really optimal it is being ok at something you are supposed to be ok at. Optimal is way higher though. For example, a traditional Fey Wanderer can be really good with a +12 Deception, +9 Intimidation and +9 Persuasion at level 5 while still having a 16 (good) Dexterity, but even that is not optimal. An "optimal" PC is going to be higher than that: +13/+13/+13 at 5th level with a multiclass and with a Friends Cantrip to boot on top of those scores. Pull out the Charisma and Wisdom ASIs and you are quite a bit off of this and it will be a huge difference in play when you are trying to talk your way past guards or fool a Magistrate or spending downtime gambling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9815380, member: 7030563"] Suboptimal is suboptimal and there is a material statistical difference with +1. You can argue it is not that significant, but it absolutely is there and it absolutely is suboptimal. Further, the problem is not +1, it is actually +2 when you consider the mismatch exists on both the background and the 4th level feat. +2 is 20% of your feats in a level 1 to 20 game or 100% for the average game which stops before level 12. Also when you say expanding your story will influence play much more, consider the only ability that is on both the Background and the 4th level feat is Constitution, which is least thematic of any of the 6 abilities. Constitution bonuses are the least useful ability to build story off of and connect it to your character mechanically. Finally we really need to come up with a definition of "optimal". A +3 or a +4 at level 4 is not really optimal it is being ok at something you are supposed to be ok at. Optimal is way higher though. For example, a traditional Fey Wanderer can be really good with a +12 Deception, +9 Intimidation and +9 Persuasion at level 5 while still having a 16 (good) Dexterity, but even that is not optimal. An "optimal" PC is going to be higher than that: +13/+13/+13 at 5th level with a multiclass and with a Friends Cantrip to boot on top of those scores. Pull out the Charisma and Wisdom ASIs and you are quite a bit off of this and it will be a huge difference in play when you are trying to talk your way past guards or fool a Magistrate or spending downtime gambling. [/QUOTE]
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