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<blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 541471" data-attributes="member: 7172">I guess it's just my perception of the feats in question.&nbsp; I have that view that if it's still and silent, then it's STILL and SILENT.&nbsp; No kiss-kiss, no bang-bang.&nbsp; And while I know one of the major benefits of Still Spell is to bypass Arcane Spell Failure in armor, it just seems to me like... well... everything that Zulkir and Rules Machine had to say.So the general consensus was Spot...I have to agree more with Sense Motive; but not necessarily the wizard's need to Bluff; preparation of the spells was enough, and I think that the wizard should be considered to be taking 20 on that &quot;Bluff&quot; check automatically.&nbsp; I also think that ranks in Spellcraft could create a Synergy with Sense Motive when attempting ascertain a stilled, silent spell being cast.jlhorner1974: Isn't there a feat in one of the splatbooks, or perhaps it was in the Netbook of Feats, called Powerless or Fake Spell?&nbsp; Actually...Reading through Bluff, I'd say the wizard faking would get a bonus, because the archers want to believe that the wizard is casting a spell -- they even gone so far as to ready an action to attack him when he does.&nbsp; I might be reaching, though... The wizard faking would at least be able to do so at no penalty.&nbsp; So, I'd say yes -- Bluff's description handles what you're talking about beautifully; drawing attention, making someone look where you want, and do want you want them to do, kinda like a magical Fast-Talk.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mordane76, post: 541471, member: 7172"] I guess it's just my perception of the feats in question. I have that view that if it's still and silent, then it's STILL and SILENT. No kiss-kiss, no bang-bang. And while I know one of the major benefits of Still Spell is to bypass Arcane Spell Failure in armor, it just seems to me like... well... everything that Zulkir and Rules Machine had to say. So the general consensus was Spot... I have to agree more with Sense Motive; but not necessarily the wizard's need to Bluff; preparation of the spells was enough, and I think that the wizard should be considered to be taking 20 on that "Bluff" check automatically. I also think that ranks in Spellcraft could create a Synergy with Sense Motive when attempting ascertain a stilled, silent spell being cast. jlhorner1974: Isn't there a feat in one of the splatbooks, or perhaps it was in the Netbook of Feats, called Powerless or Fake Spell? Actually... Reading through Bluff, I'd say the wizard faking would get a bonus, because the archers [b]want[/b] to believe that the wizard is casting a spell -- they even gone so far as to ready an action to attack him when he does. I might be reaching, though... The wizard faking would at least be able to do so at no penalty. So, I'd say yes -- Bluff's description handles what you're talking about beautifully; drawing attention, making someone look where you want, and do want you want them to do, kinda like a magical Fast-Talk. :D [/QUOTE]

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