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<blockquote data-quote="The Shadow" data-source="post: 6003522" data-attributes="member: 16760">What would you suggest, then?&nbsp; Maybe &quot;advantage&quot; on expertise damage?Would &quot;disadvantage&quot; on Parried damage be fair?I'm not so sure about nobody using Parry under these circumstances...&nbsp; You're still being spared half the damage in the long run - and all of it in the short run.&nbsp; You'll parry if the damage will endanger you that round.Plus, even if someone chooses *not* to Parry, they'll still be taking more damage than an equivalent-level fighter, which suits the fluff fine.I see no reason why the Barbarian as we knew it from 1e UA to 3.5e couldn't be represented with a fighting style and a background.&nbsp; Possibly a specialty, but I don't think it'll be necessary.If it's going to be a class, it needs to be something a good deal more than a modified fighter.&nbsp; Because there's already ways to make a modified fighter.Yeah, I know what you mean.&nbsp; That's why I was unsure.Exactly.&nbsp; It's kind of a borderline case.&nbsp; I note that Miglin, the Wormwrithings guide in the adventure, has the ability to keep the party from being surprised, though it doesn't explain why.Oddly, being surprised less was an ability of the 1e *ranger*.&nbsp; Of course, there was no barbarian in the 1e PHB.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Shadow, post: 6003522, member: 16760"] What would you suggest, then? Maybe "advantage" on expertise damage? Would "disadvantage" on Parried damage be fair? I'm not so sure about nobody using Parry under these circumstances... You're still being spared half the damage in the long run - and all of it in the short run. You'll parry if the damage will endanger you that round. Plus, even if someone chooses *not* to Parry, they'll still be taking more damage than an equivalent-level fighter, which suits the fluff fine. I see no reason why the Barbarian as we knew it from 1e UA to 3.5e couldn't be represented with a fighting style and a background. Possibly a specialty, but I don't think it'll be necessary. If it's going to be a class, it needs to be something a good deal more than a modified fighter. Because there's already ways to make a modified fighter. Yeah, I know what you mean. That's why I was unsure. Exactly. It's kind of a borderline case. I note that Miglin, the Wormwrithings guide in the adventure, has the ability to keep the party from being surprised, though it doesn't explain why. Oddly, being surprised less was an ability of the 1e *ranger*. Of course, there was no barbarian in the 1e PHB. [/QUOTE]

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