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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LordAO" data-source="post: 874115" data-attributes="member: 6010">Even a specialist Wizards doesn't have as many spells per day as a Cleric! The Wizard gets a base of 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4 at 20th level, the cleric gets 6/5/5/5/5/5/4/4/4/4 plus domain spells!IMO the Wizards should be a better spellcaster than the Cleric, not worse. Clerics have d8 hps, wiz have d4. clerics have the medium attack bonus, wizards have the worst, clerics have good fort and will saves, wiz only good will, clerics can wear armor and use spells without problems, clerics have better weapon proficiencies, clerics have better class skill selction, they get all of their spells for FREE, etc etc etc.Since the cleric is nearly as good a fighter as a fighter, isn't it only fair the the Wizard who is solely dedicated to spellcasting should be better at it? Yet they give the Wizard LESS spells per day than the cleric, especially when you count domain spells. Sure, a Wiz can specialize, but they requires a huge sacrifice by the Wiz. And even that doesn't even the playing field.So, no I didn't mind the old haste at all. It was the one and only Wizard buff spell that was on par with Clerical buffs. And I don't know about the idea that Wizards shouldn't be good in combat. Look at all the combat spells they have! And the old haste never made the fighter obsolite at all, at least not in the games I've played! Wizards do have a broad selection of spells, for in and out of combat, this is true. But Wizards also have the preparation problem. Wizards have a limited supply of magical firepower. And they have to think very carefully about when and where to use it. Every spell they cast in one battle is one less spell they will have later, when they might need it most. And even then, the damage potential of spells is better than what a fighter can deal in a single attack, but unlike the fighter it can't be used every round. Fighters really don't have limits on what they do best. They always were and always will be the best at combat, despite haste and other considerations. Besides, I usually did cast haste on my friends as well, not just myself.The class you should worry about is the Cleric, not the Wizard. After all, they are nearly equal to fighters already, plus add in more spells than even a Wizard can do, spells like Harm and Heal, and definately all of the best buff spells in the game, and a CLeric can easily surpass every other class in performance, both in and out of combat.</blockquote>

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