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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 1446964" data-attributes="member: 17077">Well, continue reading the example that follows right after that."For example, Ghorus Toth is specialized in the school of Transmutation. His prohibited schools are abjuration and enchantment. When he becomes a Red Wizard, he must choose one other prohibited school. He decides to select conjuration as his prohibited school." DMG 3.5, p. 194, emphasis mineIt seems that the example conflicts with the rule. The same is also the case with Circle Magic, where it says in the rule that adding to your caster level affects both level dependent variables and caster level checks, yet the example indicates that they must be paid for seperately.Clearly, alot of sloppy cut and paste work was done. The original Red Wizard was designed for 3.0 where they didnt have the flat 2 school penalty for specialization. This is clearly in need of errata, but until then I will go with the assumption that only one extra school is given up and circle magic bonuses to caster level affect both level variables and caster level checks. You are, of course, free to do the opposite.</blockquote>