New Law in California

[Dannyalcatraz]

Cali just approved the nation's strictest laws regarding childhood vaccinations. No personal belief exemptions; no religious exemptions. You don't want to vaccinate your kids, you either have to get a medical exemption or homeschool them.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/what-californias-strict-new-vaccination-law-means-122946905422.html

Again, this is California that passed this. Home of Scientology in general and of its most visible & vocal adherents. And of course, there are other anti-vax religious and secular organizations.

I'm predicting a BIG political scuffle.

 

[tomBitonti]

Cali just approved the nation's strictest laws regarding childhood vaccinations. No personal belief exemptions; no religious exemptions. You don't want to vaccinate your kids, you either have to get a medical exemption or homeschool them.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/what-californias-strict-new-vaccination-law-means-122946905422.html

Again, this is California that passed this. Home of Scientology in general and of its most visible & vocal adherents. And of course, there are other anti-vax religious and secular organizations.

I'm predicting a BIG political scuffle.

I suspect that California is the home of Scientology contributed to the making of this law. A few missed vaccinations might fall into the noise of a large state, and might have a negligible impact on public heath. A state might ignore this, since the cost of making a law, including the inevitable political kerfluffle, might be more than leaders want to deal with.

There being a lot of missed vaccinations becomes a problem which cannot be ignored.

Though, I thought that there were other issues, with "fear of vaccination" being a current meme, not just within the Scientology community.

I put this together with anti-evolution and anti-climate change (mis)information campaigns. As a country, we really seem to moving ourselves to a very ugly and badly informed place.

Thx!

TomB

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

The article specifically called out the Disney-centric measles outbreak as one of the driving factors. Too many unvaccinated people in big crowds equals fun with disease vectoring.

 

[Kramodlog]

Good. This sort of law should exist andbe implemented everywhere. Home schooled shouldn't even be a way to get out of this.

Even if vaccins can have serious side-effects (even death in some cases), they really are rare and the benefits outweigh the risks. No one wants to be the parents of that kid that died from a vaccine, but no one wants to have a meningitis outbreak?

 

[Ryujin]

I suspect that California is the home of Scientology contributed to the making of this law. A few missed vaccinations might fall into the noise of a large state, and might have a negligible impact on public heath. A state might ignore this, since the cost of making a law, including the inevitable political kerfluffle, might be more than leaders want to deal with.

There being a lot of missed vaccinations becomes a problem which cannot be ignored.

Though, I thought that there were other issues, with "fear of vaccination" being a current meme, not just within the Scientology community.

I put this together with anti-evolution and anti-climate change (mis)information campaigns. As a country, we really seem to moving ourselves to a very ugly and badly informed place.

Thx!

TomB

I've been more than a little surprised to learn which of my acquaintances have bought into the anti-vaccer garbage. Most are well educated and well read enough that they should have a basic understanding of things like herd immunity, statistical analysis, and well debunked falsified 'studies.'

I actually had a little debate with a "scientist" on a thread, that was started on a friend's Facebook page, in which said "scientist" pointed to a recent outbreak in Quebec that involved only vaccinated people, which he stated proved the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Well if you vaccinate everyone and the vaccine has a roughly 95% effectiveness, then there are 5% of the people who can still get the disease. The others *may* be carriers. That doesn't mean that vaccination is ineffective. Far from it. It points to the possibility of a huge outbreak that was, logically, averted by vaccination.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Cali just approved the nation's strictest laws regarding childhood vaccinations. No personal belief exemptions; no religious exemptions. You don't want to vaccinate your kids, you either have to get a medical exemption or homeschool them.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/what-californias-strict-new-vaccination-law-means-122946905422.html

Again, this is California that passed this. Home of Scientology in general and of its most visible & vocal adherents. And of course, there are other anti-vax religious and secular organizations.

I'm predicting a BIG political scuffle.

That is awesome! That's what every state should be doing. Now if only some kid could go ahead and infect half of the children of politicians in the Florida legislature, maybe we could get a similar law passed in Florida. Hell, it would be even better if the whole Florida legislature got sick because one of them wasn't vaccinated.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Round 1: *DING-DING*

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/hollywood-parents-react-to-californias-strict-new-122954583347.html

 

[Kramodlog]

I've been more than a little surprised to learn which of my acquaintances have bought into the anti-vaccer garbage. Most are well educated and well read enough that they should have a basic understanding of things like herd immunity, statistical analysis, and well debunked falsified 'studies.'

I actually had a little debate with a "scientist" on a thread, that was started on a friend's Facebook page, in which said "scientist" pointed to a recent outbreak in Quebec that involved only vaccinated people, which he stated proved the ineffectiveness of vaccination. Well if you vaccinate everyone and the vaccine has a roughly 95% effectiveness, then there are 5% of the people who can still get the disease. The others *may* be carriers. That doesn't mean that vaccination is ineffective. Far from it. It points to the possibility of a huge outbreak that was, logically, averted by vaccination.

Which outbreak was he talking about? The one that happened recently started among an unvaccinated sect that believed that if you are pious enough humans can evolve to have wings.

 

[Ryujin]

Which outbreak was he talking about? The one that happened recently started among an unvaccinated sect that believed that if you are pious enough humans can evolve to have wings.

IIRC the data quoted was from 2011, not the outbreak this year. Even the "facts" submitted by this person were suspect, as I couldn't verify his claim that all the infected were vaccinated. I took the position, "So what if they were?" After all, vaccination isn't a 100% protection. It's simply far better than not at all, and herd immunity also has it's benefits.

 

[Homicidal_Squirrel]

Round 1: *DING-DING*

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/hollywood-parents-react-to-californias-strict-new-122954583347.html

I think Jim Carrey has a point. He was vaccinated, and he is obviously suffering some kind of brain damage.