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<blockquote data-quote="humble minion" data-source="post: 8903339" data-attributes="member: 5948"><p>Yep.</p><p></p><p>If they'd just left 1.0a and announced that 5.5e was to be released under a new OGL - even one as awful, venal, and exploitative as 1.1 - there would have been much less anger in the past fortnight, and probably a bunch of publishers would have hedged their bets and at the very least started planning for 5.5 just in case it was a huge hit. Hell, even Paizo have caved to market forces and started releasing a trickle of 5e material in the past years, such is the market dominance 5e has. </p><p></p><p>1.1 was a non-starter for a variety of well-documented reasons, but if it had been just a bit more acceptable, even a quite restrictive 1.0b might have been a goer in the 3pp community if WotC had locked 5.5 to it and not released a 5.5 SRD under 1.0a. Publishers WOULD have moved to it, if the community had. They'd have followed the money, even if unwillingly. 1.0a would have still hung around, but it slowly would have withered on the vine if the current D&D edition wasn't supported.</p><p></p><p>But they had to try to have their cake and eat it too. They overstepped so far in the drafting of 1.1 that they made moving to 1.1/5.5 literally impossible for 3pps rather than just uninviting, and they alienated the community in the process. And they left no option for the 3pps other than to make as loud a noise as they could, because if 1.0a dies quietly, then so do their businesses. When people's backs are against the wall, they fight like rabid quolls. By trying to strongarm people into OGL 1.1 and D&D 5.5, WotC only succeeded in alienating people from both.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="humble minion, post: 8903339, member: 5948"] Yep. If they'd just left 1.0a and announced that 5.5e was to be released under a new OGL - even one as awful, venal, and exploitative as 1.1 - there would have been much less anger in the past fortnight, and probably a bunch of publishers would have hedged their bets and at the very least started planning for 5.5 just in case it was a huge hit. Hell, even Paizo have caved to market forces and started releasing a trickle of 5e material in the past years, such is the market dominance 5e has. 1.1 was a non-starter for a variety of well-documented reasons, but if it had been just a bit more acceptable, even a quite restrictive 1.0b might have been a goer in the 3pp community if WotC had locked 5.5 to it and not released a 5.5 SRD under 1.0a. Publishers WOULD have moved to it, if the community had. They'd have followed the money, even if unwillingly. 1.0a would have still hung around, but it slowly would have withered on the vine if the current D&D edition wasn't supported. But they had to try to have their cake and eat it too. They overstepped so far in the drafting of 1.1 that they made moving to 1.1/5.5 literally impossible for 3pps rather than just uninviting, and they alienated the community in the process. And they left no option for the 3pps other than to make as loud a noise as they could, because if 1.0a dies quietly, then so do their businesses. When people's backs are against the wall, they fight like rabid quolls. By trying to strongarm people into OGL 1.1 and D&D 5.5, WotC only succeeded in alienating people from both. [/QUOTE]
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