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<blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 5623197" data-attributes="member: 10479"><p>Dude, you're the one who dredged it up.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not even what was being asked. The area I was asking Saeviomagy to elaborate was in regard to if Saeviomagy truly felt the *only* reason newer D&D combats are longer than the older D&D combats (I went with non-edition-specific terms precisely to avoid edition warring) was because of Saeviomagy's stated opinion that some classes couldn't participate.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Seriously, Hussar. You cherrypick an edition war, you mess up the terminology, you reframe the discussion to shoehorn in the old edition war saw you prefer, you dismiss the counter argument that everyone knew would be coming, then you accuse the person who joined you in the mud of being the one to "dredge" up the edition war. I think we all know by now that one side is going to frame the argument to specifically limit meaningful action in combat situations to combat actions while the other side is going to bring up how those who cannot take combat actions can do other things even during combat. One side is going to claim that this constitutes being sidelined and the other side is going to suggest that the focus on combat in the rules is problematic when playing an RPG, or some other thing we've all read before. Look, I'm not even put off by your edition warring anymore. I think everyone who has heard the fable of the fox and the scorpion understands at this point that it's just your nature. But you're showing a decided lack of effort these days and that is disappointing. Please, if you are going to force an edition war into a thread where others are trying to rationally discuss design differences without edition warring, at least show a little leg. Make it worth our reading effort. These days, it just feels like you're phoning it in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mark CMG, post: 5623197, member: 10479"] Dude, you're the one who dredged it up. It's not even what was being asked. The area I was asking Saeviomagy to elaborate was in regard to if Saeviomagy truly felt the *only* reason newer D&D combats are longer than the older D&D combats (I went with non-edition-specific terms precisely to avoid edition warring) was because of Saeviomagy's stated opinion that some classes couldn't participate. Seriously, Hussar. You cherrypick an edition war, you mess up the terminology, you reframe the discussion to shoehorn in the old edition war saw you prefer, you dismiss the counter argument that everyone knew would be coming, then you accuse the person who joined you in the mud of being the one to "dredge" up the edition war. I think we all know by now that one side is going to frame the argument to specifically limit meaningful action in combat situations to combat actions while the other side is going to bring up how those who cannot take combat actions can do other things even during combat. One side is going to claim that this constitutes being sidelined and the other side is going to suggest that the focus on combat in the rules is problematic when playing an RPG, or some other thing we've all read before. Look, I'm not even put off by your edition warring anymore. I think everyone who has heard the fable of the fox and the scorpion understands at this point that it's just your nature. But you're showing a decided lack of effort these days and that is disappointing. Please, if you are going to force an edition war into a thread where others are trying to rationally discuss design differences without edition warring, at least show a little leg. Make it worth our reading effort. These days, it just feels like you're phoning it in. [/QUOTE]
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