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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 5719147" data-attributes="member: 2067">Personally, I never had much of a problem with the 15-minute adventuring day. I think in 3e this was mostly because each combat threatened the party enough that I didn't care if they rested afterwards (I tended toward higher EL monstrous encounters that risked a character death in every encounter). In 4e, I find surges and dailies to be the main setting -- you CAN'T nova in a single encounter (spending all your healing surges). This has been a frustration for me in recreating the "single epic combat per day" pattern that I had (and enjoyed!) with 3e. It's elements like that -- changing the game so that I couldn't play in the way that I was accustomed to -- that really made (and continues to make) 4e a hard sell to me. I play it. I enjoy it OK. I have DMed it. I still find myself struggling against it more than flowing with it, though. It wants me to play in a way that I don't play, so it's sort of like playing with a six year old girl. She wants to play with "my little ponies", and doesn't understand why anyone wouldn't want to play her way with my little ponies. She doesn't realize people have their own likes, she just assumes whatever she likes is what everyone likes.</blockquote>