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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5489250" data-attributes="member: 22424">I certainly wouldn't want to go back to the days of the 1-4 hp Wizard with one spell! I would agree that this is closer to what I would probably prefer:Although, I would suggest they would do well by first setting a baseline, probably using a standard human guardsman, then set the 1st level Fighter to be "a cut above" that. And then balance the 1st level Wizard against that. Trying to establish the fantastical class first sounds like it could cause problems.Anyway...I do feel that between over-optimisation and (especially) stat inflation, the game has ended up compressing the low end of the scale to a point where PCs really get too much too soon. IMO, the game should either recalibrate the DC values to be a bit higher, or (perhaps better) undo some of the inflation that has occurred.I think WotC would do well to give some serious thought to what DC represents the pinacle of real-world human achievement (DC 30 actually seems pretty good), and then some further thought to what level PCs should be able to achieve this DC. IOW, what are the equivalent levels for Einstein, or Tiger Woods, or Bill Gates, or Bill Clinton?(They need to be a bit careful with this. Make the equivalent level too high, and you risk making PCs seem boring by comparison. But if the level is too low, then PCs become superhuman too quickly, and the game risks becoming too cartoony. IMO, both 3e and 4e tend to be a bit too permissive.)Agreed. And to be honest, I think most groups work assuming this is the case. It's just that when you start digging into the numbers and try to marry them up with some sort of reality that everything really starts looking exaggerated.Indeed. With the exception of Conan, that pretty much ties up with my feel of where these characters should be. (Conan's a bit more tricky, as you say.) I would suggest also that the characters in the Black Company should mostly be low-mid Heroic, Batman is high Paragon, and Achillies is an example of the Epic. Does that seem about right?Yep, no argument there. It's just that I would feel rather better if, when designing 5e, they did spend a bit of time with real-world achievements, and calibrated the DCs (and level range) accordingly. As I said, I know D&D isn't in any way a reality-simulator, but I'd still feel better if it had a bit more of a grounding in reality.</blockquote>

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