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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 5490662" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Um, you are aware that they canceled the entire D&D Miniatures line, right? And as far as I know, WotC is not selling monster tokens separately, so I doubt they're a big money-maker.</p><p></p><p>The way I read it (and I will add a disclaimer now that I have no insider knowledge here), 4E was designed when DDM was going like gangbusters; so they planned it as a miniatures-heavy edition, to help fuel DDM sales. But then oil prices went up, the economy went down, the skirmish game died, and hardcore gamers discovered they had every miniature they could possibly need. DDM was no longer a profit center... but the consequence of this was that WotC found itself supporting a game that demanded minis, when it no longer had minis to sell, which made attracting new players a challenge.</p><p></p><p>So, they started packaging tokens with the monster books--not as a profit center but as a stopgap. Maybe things will change by the time 5E is actually released, but as of now I think the incentives are in place for WotC to scale back its dependence on miniatures.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then I'll turn that around on you: Why must D&D remain as it is, at this present moment? After all, if you are perfectly happy with 4E, you can keep playing forever, just like the folks who are perfectly happy with 3E or 2E or 1E or BECMI or OD&D.</p><p></p><p>But WotC can't sell 4E forever; sooner or later, for their own corporate survival*, they have to release a new edition. So, I suggest that edition ought to be aimed at those of us who see much to like in 4E but are not fully happy with it, or those who stayed with 3E/Pathfinder but see things worthy of admiration in 4E, or even those who have been playing AD&D lo these many years and think maybe it's finally time to give a new edition a whirl.</p><p></p><p>Of course, as I said above, the reality is that WotC will design 5E to appeal to the largest possible segment of the player base. Thus, it behooves us all to speak out about what we want, so WotC will know what that is.</p><p></p><p>[size=-2]*Well, the survival of their RPG division. The company as a whole is doing just fine selling cardboard crack. D&D was always a bit of a sideline for them.[/size]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 5490662, member: 58197"] Um, you are aware that they canceled the entire D&D Miniatures line, right? And as far as I know, WotC is not selling monster tokens separately, so I doubt they're a big money-maker. The way I read it (and I will add a disclaimer now that I have no insider knowledge here), 4E was designed when DDM was going like gangbusters; so they planned it as a miniatures-heavy edition, to help fuel DDM sales. But then oil prices went up, the economy went down, the skirmish game died, and hardcore gamers discovered they had every miniature they could possibly need. DDM was no longer a profit center... but the consequence of this was that WotC found itself supporting a game that demanded minis, when it no longer had minis to sell, which made attracting new players a challenge. So, they started packaging tokens with the monster books--not as a profit center but as a stopgap. Maybe things will change by the time 5E is actually released, but as of now I think the incentives are in place for WotC to scale back its dependence on miniatures. Then I'll turn that around on you: Why must D&D remain as it is, at this present moment? After all, if you are perfectly happy with 4E, you can keep playing forever, just like the folks who are perfectly happy with 3E or 2E or 1E or BECMI or OD&D. But WotC can't sell 4E forever; sooner or later, for their own corporate survival*, they have to release a new edition. So, I suggest that edition ought to be aimed at those of us who see much to like in 4E but are not fully happy with it, or those who stayed with 3E/Pathfinder but see things worthy of admiration in 4E, or even those who have been playing AD&D lo these many years and think maybe it's finally time to give a new edition a whirl. Of course, as I said above, the reality is that WotC will design 5E to appeal to the largest possible segment of the player base. Thus, it behooves us all to speak out about what we want, so WotC will know what that is. [size=-2]*Well, the survival of their RPG division. The company as a whole is doing just fine selling cardboard crack. D&D was always a bit of a sideline for them.[/size] [/QUOTE]
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