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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5490911" data-attributes="member: 22424">It's a necessary (but not sufficient) condition for any game I'm interested in. Other games may, of course, go other ways.Look, we're discussing here questions of "where would you like the game to go?" In answer to that, of course I'm going to express my preferences!Most fictions present a snapshot of some characters in a fairly narrow span of time. We never see "young Aragorn". However, there are a few long-running series that do become increasingly epic in scope as they progress - Elric, Conan, Drizzt...Besides, there's absolutely no rule that says you must start a campaign at 1st level, or that it must span multiple tiers. If the game supports multiple styles of play then different groups can make their own choices. If it only supports one, then anyone that doesn't like it is SOL.You're ducking the question. If we're to understand what a "level 1 Fighter" or a "level 30 Fighter" looks like, we can only do that in relation to either the real world or to our existing fictions. That means assigning (approximate) levels to the heroes of those fictions. Otherwise, the whole thing becomes meaningless.There are many valid answers to the question, ranging from 1 to 30 (or even beyond). But you haven't given one.Because none of those editions are perfect either. And the more balanced math gives the 4e engine some significant advantages over older editions. By recalibrating that engine, and by blending in some parts of older editions (and some parts of other games entirely), I believe we really could get something very special indeed.There have been splits, but never before has D&D found itself faced with real competition. Only in the dying days of 2nd Edition (when TSR were effectively dead) was Vampire a serious contender. Now, the idea that Pathfinder might be outselling D&D is given serious discussion.Like it or not, I have to deal with players who won't play anything but the current edition of D&D. Offer them 3e, Pathfinder, WFRP, or anything else, and they're just not interested. Arguing that there are (or could be) other games out there is useless - if I can't find players for anything else, then there might as well not be.And if I'm stuck with "the current edition of D&D", and if WotC are starting the process of changing that current edition, then I most certainly am going to argue for changing to suit myself. To do otherwise would be insane.</blockquote>

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