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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5704222" data-attributes="member: 6668292">... right. Me too.That makes sense. Presumably in the campaign, I will have opportunities to create magical weapons or armor and this feat makes me better able to achieve my goals.I'd really like a response to how a wizard can use the feat to gain direct benefits. If the person with Perform (Dancing) gains a benefit because he can use the feat to make him better able to do something, then why doesn't it count when a Wizard uses Craft Arms and Armor makes weapons to improve comrades (who help protect him and accomplish his goals), create magic items in a low magic setting, bribe people, make contacts (people seeking you out for your skill or services, breaking into an established market with obviously wealthy individuals, etc.), attain political pull by providing services (or withholding them), making money, etc.?I feel like I've shown how this isn't true. Or is about as true as "at best, a guy with Leadership can tell other people what to do" or "at best, a guy with Perform (Dance) can dance."Yep. Though, like I've pointed out, anyone can pick up and use a sword. Sometimes in the setting, armor or weapons might be more beneficial. But the point is, really, that it can directly benefit your character, not that another crafting feat could arguably do it better. Remember, you were the one who compared it to a Fighter taking a metamagic feat, which literally cannot be used, much less aid him or anyone else in any way. That's what I disagreed with.This is amusing. You ignore my the entire post, but ask me to say how often bribery in particular happens. I'll answer you, and then you address everything else I listed it can do, explaining to me how that doesn't aid the Wizard. Deal?Bribery with magical weapons or armor happens pretty rarely. Probably about once every other level, at most.Your turn.I answered this, explicitly:Why are you only considering bribery, and no other method I've listed? And, at that, why is bribery not directly aiding your character?Also, why are you trying to make me justify mechanics I didn't include in my own SRD-based game? I said that the feat can directly benefit your character through a variety of methods (and named several). You've said, "bribery doesn't crop up often enough for it to be worth it." This doesn't refute my disagreement with you, nor did I attempt to champion the value of the feat. I've said that your made a false analogy by saying it's just as directly beneficial for a Wizard to take Craft Arms and Armor as it is for a Fighter to take a metamagic feat (that is, there's no direct benefit to either). I disagreed with that.Please, show me what I'm missing here, because it seems like using the feat to "make me better able to do something" is just as valid as the Perform (Dance) skill. I've listed ways that Craft Arms and Armor makes you better able to do things. This seems inconsistent. What am I missing?</blockquote>

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