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<blockquote data-quote="Dice4Hire" data-source="post: 5417289" data-attributes="member: 55066"><p>If there are more races, they need to be races that are first part of the world, and fit in with the cosmology and organization of 4E. I don't like shardminds much, but at least they do do this. </p><p></p><p>Second, they need not bring a lot of rules baggage with them. No large, or smaller than small races is a good rule for 4E. They were a massive headache in 3.5. Also, races that have too powerful abilities (pixie's natural invisibility, or charm abilities) need to be left on the cutting room floor. </p><p></p><p>If the racial ability is higher than say tenth level or so, it is too powerful.</p><p></p><p>In classic 4e, the thing that bothers me is all the support necessary for a new race. If you have 20 some classes and 3-4 builds per class, that is about 100 or so feats (including a couple dozen race and not class specific feats) needed to 'support' that race. That is a whole lot. Add in a few magical items keying off their abilities nad that is a whole book for one race.</p><p></p><p>Now that said, if they want to add new races, that is the way to do it, for me. Make a dragonborn or tiefling book that offers a wholly new race, the 100 or so feats, 6-10 paragon paths, a few epic destinies and a score of magical items, and I think that would be good, though I do not think it would sell well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dice4Hire, post: 5417289, member: 55066"] If there are more races, they need to be races that are first part of the world, and fit in with the cosmology and organization of 4E. I don't like shardminds much, but at least they do do this. Second, they need not bring a lot of rules baggage with them. No large, or smaller than small races is a good rule for 4E. They were a massive headache in 3.5. Also, races that have too powerful abilities (pixie's natural invisibility, or charm abilities) need to be left on the cutting room floor. If the racial ability is higher than say tenth level or so, it is too powerful. In classic 4e, the thing that bothers me is all the support necessary for a new race. If you have 20 some classes and 3-4 builds per class, that is about 100 or so feats (including a couple dozen race and not class specific feats) needed to 'support' that race. That is a whole lot. Add in a few magical items keying off their abilities nad that is a whole book for one race. Now that said, if they want to add new races, that is the way to do it, for me. Make a dragonborn or tiefling book that offers a wholly new race, the 100 or so feats, 6-10 paragon paths, a few epic destinies and a score of magical items, and I think that would be good, though I do not think it would sell well. [/QUOTE]
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