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New player asking for some advice/help, please. 3e vs 4e. Which one is for me?
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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 4775244" data-attributes="member: 15538"><p>I find 3e to be a superior game for my preferred gaming style. That will not hold with many people, of course. I'll go as far as saying that 3e has been tried and tested and found to be an excellent game. 3e still has many players. 4e is, as yet, new and untested and could yet disappoint despite the favorable reception it has gotten from so many people. Even that does not matter if you are really only concerned with the next campaign or two you are planning on running. </p><p></p><p>3e is a lot more concerned with the simulated reality, 4e with the simulated challenge. Whereas 3e will tell you how tough a 6th level elf fighter is, 4e will tell you how tough they should be. 4e suffers a bit from the moving goalposts phenomenon, in that higher level gamers are mostly just lower level games with more utilities and options available (and slower combats). 3e, on the other hand, suffers from the problem that many concepts are played to their inevitibly destructive end. 4e PCs are notoriously alike, mechanically, whereas 3e characters are notoriously unpredictable.</p><p></p><p>I like the unpredictable. If something is sensible enough to be allowed into play, then I am prepared to deal with the consequences. I care a lot more about surprise and fun than about some abstract measure of balance. I have a tough ego and I expect the same of my players; I offer no guarantees, do not promise to pull punches or fudge dice, do promise to challenge them at every turn. Great success or great failure are always possibilities. That is why I roll 3e.</p><p></p><p>All that said, neither 3e nor 4e is ideal for "werewolf bards" and other exotic types. I would consider Mutants & Masterminds with its fantasy sourcebook first. I would definitely consider GURPS and might consider Hero system. If you want to run a high-powered, low-math game, BESM might be the answer. </p><p></p><p>Very few games are absolutely useless for the narrative side of gaming. You can always have fun. You can almost always make game mechanics conform to some sensible interpretation of the fictional reality. </p><p></p><p>Ordinarily, I tend to suggest the most recent edition of a game because you can find players. In this particular case, there is no shortage of 3e players and will not be for a long time.</p><p></p><p>As for Pathfinder... do not run a game using the Pathfinder beta if you are looking for a game to really get comfortable with. The Pathfinder lead developer has stated that a lot of stuff is being dialed back to be more compatible with 3.5, so in many ways, 3.5 is closer to Pathfinder than Pathfinder beta will be. That said, there is nothing wrong with running Pb just because you like it.</p><p></p><p>Otherwise popular games with little or no support for werewolf bards: Castles & Crusades, Warhammer FRP, Runequest, Rolemaster, HARP, Riddle of Steel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 4775244, member: 15538"] I find 3e to be a superior game for my preferred gaming style. That will not hold with many people, of course. I'll go as far as saying that 3e has been tried and tested and found to be an excellent game. 3e still has many players. 4e is, as yet, new and untested and could yet disappoint despite the favorable reception it has gotten from so many people. Even that does not matter if you are really only concerned with the next campaign or two you are planning on running. 3e is a lot more concerned with the simulated reality, 4e with the simulated challenge. Whereas 3e will tell you how tough a 6th level elf fighter is, 4e will tell you how tough they should be. 4e suffers a bit from the moving goalposts phenomenon, in that higher level gamers are mostly just lower level games with more utilities and options available (and slower combats). 3e, on the other hand, suffers from the problem that many concepts are played to their inevitibly destructive end. 4e PCs are notoriously alike, mechanically, whereas 3e characters are notoriously unpredictable. I like the unpredictable. If something is sensible enough to be allowed into play, then I am prepared to deal with the consequences. I care a lot more about surprise and fun than about some abstract measure of balance. I have a tough ego and I expect the same of my players; I offer no guarantees, do not promise to pull punches or fudge dice, do promise to challenge them at every turn. Great success or great failure are always possibilities. That is why I roll 3e. All that said, neither 3e nor 4e is ideal for "werewolf bards" and other exotic types. I would consider Mutants & Masterminds with its fantasy sourcebook first. I would definitely consider GURPS and might consider Hero system. If you want to run a high-powered, low-math game, BESM might be the answer. Very few games are absolutely useless for the narrative side of gaming. You can always have fun. You can almost always make game mechanics conform to some sensible interpretation of the fictional reality. Ordinarily, I tend to suggest the most recent edition of a game because you can find players. In this particular case, there is no shortage of 3e players and will not be for a long time. As for Pathfinder... do not run a game using the Pathfinder beta if you are looking for a game to really get comfortable with. The Pathfinder lead developer has stated that a lot of stuff is being dialed back to be more compatible with 3.5, so in many ways, 3.5 is closer to Pathfinder than Pathfinder beta will be. That said, there is nothing wrong with running Pb just because you like it. Otherwise popular games with little or no support for werewolf bards: Castles & Crusades, Warhammer FRP, Runequest, Rolemaster, HARP, Riddle of Steel. [/QUOTE]
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